Something I noticed while reading stories.

[Neopadinski]

I fantasize constantly about breaking into a girl's house, or grabbing her off the street, tying her up and doing lots of things she probably wouldn't like to her. I've actually concocted plans on how to do it. But the only thing I don't consider is whether or not I would actually do it, because under no circumstances would I ever go through with it. If I ever met a rapist, or someone of that nature, I would attack them without a hesitation, with intentions of severely injuring them. Since my mid-teens, I always thought of myself as a hypocrite, because I fantasized about these things but hated the people who actually did them. Then, I came around to realize that it's fine, as long as it's fantasy. I've written only a couple stories where the hanky-panky is consensual, and those were written long ago, when I was first experimenting with sexual stories back when I was 14-15. None of my stories on the library feature consensual sexual acts.

[leo9]

I fantasize constantly about breaking into a girl's house, or grabbing her off the street, tying her up and doing lots of things she probably wouldn't like to her. I've actually concocted plans on how to do it. But the only thing I don't consider is whether or not I would actually do it, because under no circumstances would I ever go through with it.

Find the right girl, and you can do it as a shared fantasy. Last weekend I made arrangements with my new gf before I came to pick her up, and when she got into the car she acted like she was just getting a lift. I held a knife to her throat and told her to hold still and not fight, cuffed her hands behind her back with cuffs that were fastened to a chain behind the seat, then drove her to my place while she alternately begged to be let go and told me I'd never get away with this.

At the house I hung a cloak round her shoulders so I could lead her across the street to the door without anyone seeing her cuffed hands. I realised that if I'd prepared better, since there are so many Muslim women in this neighbourhood, I could have put robes and veil on her and she could have been completely roped and gagged underneath!

Once I had her in the house, I stripped her slowly by cutting her clothes off with the knife I had held her up with (thus settling any doubts she might have had about how sharp it was!) I'd arranged for her to wear stuff from the charity shop box which she could afford to lose; she said afterwards that having her clothes cut off her was the most exciting moment.

When I had inspected my prisoner enough, I tied her down to a chair with a nylon bottle brush under her crotch and let her squirm and beg me to let her off it while I explained that she was here to be broken as my slave, that I expected her to resist and I would enjoy it, but in the end she would belong utterly to me. I spent a long happy afternoon beating and torturing her into grovelling surrender and making her do things she had told me she'd never done and couldn't possibly do, and dropped her back at her place exhausted, bruised all over and glowing with happiness.

Like the old song says, "If you ain't got a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true?"

[longrover]

I'm thinking here, not sure where I'm going .

Thinking about sexual violence (for me) starts with Story of O. It was extremely violent for its time and the first bdsm story I read; I'm sure that's true for many here. Most commentary I've seen and heard of assumes that O was a victim, but she has always been a heroine to me because, like everyone who tries to understand pain and other dark subjects, she was a volunteer. She was an independent professional woman when they were vanishingly rare; her possible suicide never made sense to me. I think it was a sop thrown in to mollify shrinking violets and moralists. Don't let me get started !

I think fictional violence and our reaction to it serves many purposes. Sometimes it's just a phantasy (Texas Chainsaw, Freddy Krueger, ... come to mind although I've never seen them), a Halloween spook. Sometimes there's something else going on (Dirty Harry), sometimes it's a cartoon (Terminator). Sometimes writers and readers use fictional violence to work on something that happened to them or that they're worried about.

We're a violent species that's tried for just over 200 years to convince ourselves that we love peace. That's 200 against millions of years. We are all capable of murder if the right (wrong?) circumstances occur.

Bottom line: Whether people who post here are as sane as anyone else or as whacko as Freddy Krueger, I'd rather have them writing and posting stories than acting out their dreams.

[Curtis]

Excuse me, but what suicide? That's not in my edition. And she couldn't've appeared in the sequel (Return To The Chateau) if she'd died in the first one.

[leo9]

Excuse me, but what suicide? That's not in my edition. And she couldn't've appeared in the sequel (Return To The Chateau) if she'd died in the first one.

There does exist an edition which ends with her killing herself because Sir Stephen leaves her.

While the edition is of questionable authenticity (and as you say, Reage implicitly disowned it by bringing O back for a sequel), the plot line isn't totally improbable from what I know of intense D/s relationships.

In the first place, the end of the relationship is hinted at in a line near the end, where O catches SS's eye at an unguarded moment and realises for the first time that he loves her. I know some old school Masters who got rid of a slave they fell in love with, on the basis that they couldn't be totally in control of her if they loved her.

And in the second place, I have myself had to counsel abandoned slaves - some of them strong, independent women just like O - who felt they had nothing left to live for without their Master. It happens.

[Martin]

Hi there,

I am new here but want to say something about the original question of this thread: Why so much nc and M/f?

I think it is biologically and psychological induced.
First of all sex is stimulated by certain hormones which also have a major part when aggressive (e.g. adrenaline).
Second the role-model of the man, mainly thru education but induced by nature, comes closer to the dominant side in stead of submissive side.
The female by her role loves to be conquered, play the submissive. In reality they sometimes feel frustrated about this behavior (feminist).
The idea to defend herself against aggression stimulates her hormone-production as well.
The man on the other side is celebrated for his conquest and feels good about it when successful and is by nature stimulated more eager to have sex.
So in my opinion aggression/violence can enhance sexual stimulation.

[longrover]

Excuse me, but what suicide? That's not in my edition. And she couldn't've appeared in the sequel (Return To The Chateau) if she'd died in the first one.

My copy (Grove Press, purchased about 1970, now yellowed and fallen apart) ends on page 199. Page 201 (if it were numbered) offers two possible continuations. The text on that page is in italics, suggesting to me that an editor added it:

" In a final chapter, which has been suppressed, O returned to Roissy, where she was abandoned by Sir Stephen.

" There exists a second ending to the story of O, according to which O, seeing that Sir Stephen was about to leave her, said she would prefer to die. Sir Stephen gave her his consent."

I think the first paragraph points to "Return to the Chateau" and, eventually, New O. The second suggests suicide and also provides a hook for a nicely done recent story on this site; unfortunately I do not have its title or author at hand.

I doubt that Reage/Aury authorized the suicide suggestion, making it an editorial sop to romantics and moralists.