Quote Originally Posted by TomOfSweden View Post
"Goodness" or being better has nothing to do with it. Only our basic human social needs. We like sorting ourselves into hierachies. We wan't to find our place in life. We have no need to be on top, only to be heard and get our opinions validated by our peers. It's pure instinct. The monkey part of our brains.

Nietsche was the first to float these ideas and there's nothing elitist at all in his concept of the "over-man". Not if you read it critically. Cleaning out humanist and old dusty Christian moral values and wouldn't hurt though. I think it would be easier to see the big picture if you do.

Humans aren't equal because we don't want to be. Some enjoy being dominated and some enjoy being in control. All of us. Even the ones who aren't into BDSM. See, being a better person has nothing to do with it. I think my slave is a better person than me. She's a lot smarter, for one. But she enjoys submitting to me, which is why we work.
Hehe I love Nietzsche, but I think you were misunderstanding my meaning of good, my meaning of good had nothing to do with morality, but what benefits physical and psychological good of the persons involved. The needs of the person who is Dominating or submitting needs being met is a both physical and psychological good of the person as a whole. (I was pointing out these needs aren’t one size fits all, and what Satisfies one person needs, will not necessarily suit the needs of another. So saying he is a good/great Dominant/submissive or a Talented Dominant/submissive is a matter of personal choice not some universal law on what makes a good dominant and what makes a good submissive) Same goes for any great leader, Look behind every one of them and there is somebody to call him a tyrant or otherwise disparaging their rule, look behind every follower and you will find someone calling them a spineless coward or otherwise insulting the way they followed. We have the natural disposition to lead or follow but we still allow our personalities to pick and choose who we do.