D/s outside one's marriage

[TomOfSweden]

Also, I think part of the reason that there is such a stigma attached to homosexuality, bisexuality, and sexual fetish lifestyles is the stereotype that people get married as a "cover" and then cheat in order to satisfy their "cravings." So even though a relationship between two consenting adults doesn't hurt anyone in and of itself, a lot of the time there is someone on the "outside" who is hurt -- and moreso if kids are involved.

I could understand this sentiment in the 1950'ies or if we lived in Iran, but here in the West and now? Isn't this society over gay-bashing a million times over today?

[Hime]

I could understand this sentiment in the 1950'ies or if we lived in Iran, but here in the West and now? Isn't this society over gay-bashing a million times over today?

That would be be nice, but I'm afraid that homophobia is alive and well in the Western world. In my state, someone recently conducted a poll and found that 55% of locals are against including sexual orientation in sex-ed classes, because they don't believe in teaching that homosexuality is a valid "lifestyle."

And there are still plenty of cheaters who use the excuse that "I had to cheat on my wife and kids because I'm gay, and that's what gay people do." Of course, there are tons of gay people out there who come out before getting married to a person who isn't of their preferred gender, or, if they realize that they are gay while in a hetero relationship, choose to be honest and leave their original partner. But at least in the States there is an attitude that "alternative" forms of sexuality are associated with adultery, and the idea of a "cover marriage" is a big part of why. We had a big politician in the States come out as gay recently -- only, he wasn't just gay, he was cheating on his wife with an employee to whom he'd given major perks because he was sleeping with him. Similar story for a married religious leader who wrote off an exposed relationship with a gay hustler as "sex addiction." A lot of people here equate being gay with "bad behavior."

[TomOfSweden]

That would be be nice, but I'm afraid that homophobia is alive and well in the Western world. In my state, someone recently conducted a poll and found that 55% of locals are against including sexual orientation in sex-ed classes, because they don't believe in teaching that homosexuality is a valid "lifestyle."

And there are still plenty of cheaters who use the excuse that "I had to cheat on my wife and kids because I'm gay, and that's what gay people do." Of course, there are tons of gay people out there who come out before getting married to a person who isn't of their preferred gender, or, if they realize that they are gay while in a hetero relationship, choose to be honest and leave their original partner. But at least in the States there is an attitude that "alternative" forms of sexuality are associated with adultery, and the idea of a "cover marriage" is a big part of why. We had a big politician in the States come out as gay recently -- only, he wasn't just gay, he was cheating on his wife with an employee to whom he'd given major perks because he was sleeping with him. Similar story for a married religious leader who wrote off an exposed relationship with a gay hustler as "sex addiction." A lot of people here equate being gay with "bad behavior."

I guess it's different all over the world. Being gay is the vogue here. If you want to make a fast political career it's "smart" being gay. It makes it easier to get elected.

I use Holland as a civilization meter, where Holland is the most civilized land on earth and then I just compare every country to it. The less evolved a country is compared to it, the more behind it is. Even though it might have it's flaws, it makes it a lot easier to understand the world.

They're allready over the gay-vogue thing. We'll, (Sweden) get there. And if you're country isn't there yet, it'll come. It's just a matter of time and social maturity.

It's been true the last 60 years so it's no reason to believe Holland will stop being the most politically advanced country on earth any time soon.

[Ozme52]

I guess it's different all over the world. Being gay is the vogue here. If you want to make a fast political career it's "smart" being gay. It makes it easier to get elected.

I use Holland as a civilization meter, where Holland is the most civilized land on earth and then I just compare every country to it. The less evolved a country is compared to it, the more behind it is. Even though it might have it's flaws, it makes it a lot easier to understand the world.

LMAO. I don't know if I'd go that far but I can't come up with a better example at the moment.

[TomOfSweden]

LMAO. I don't know if I'd go that far but I can't come up with a better example at the moment.

Yeah I know. sounds funny. But they have been among the first to adapt new liberal laws and all other nations always follows sooner all later. It's been like this since WW2. It's not based on my opinion of marijuana, just by observing political events in the world.

It's like, the more open debate and the more progressive the people in a country, the more it is like Holland.