Oh the Irony. Abu Graib Prisoners want Americans back

[Guest91408]

Old debate I know, but this post deserves (or perhaps it doesnt) attention.

While we are all aware how the Iraqi government treated their own and the Kurds, I still think it's foolish to assume that the so-called nations within the 'axis of evil' and their governments are any worse (apart from the obvious genocide) than any other nations administrations - especially the UK and USA.

Excuse me? Are you suggesting North Korea really (for example)...I mean, REALLY, has no worse a record on human rights than the UK or USA? Please can I suggest you take a read of the many, many reports written by Amnesty International. As to this repulsive part of your statement "apart from the obvcious genocide"... What do you mean, apart from the obvious genocide...no, no no...thats the entire point surely!?!

India only regained freedom from the British 'empire' less than 80 years ago.

Without the British "Empire" there would be no "India" today...just couple dozen warring statelets, poor, still awash with cultural slavery and discrimination...weak and probably dominated by Russia or China. Yes, im sure Indians would be in a much better place without the modern liberal democracy the British Empire left as a legacy. Oh...and the railroads, modern industry and concept of a United India through education funded by British Univerisites.

The UK government still hold onto Ulster (Northern Ireland) as part of their empire. There was no humanity shown the alledged Irish terrorists (type 'Guilford four' in Google too see and example of how 'humane' the UK administraton were to the Irish (suspects or not) - only in the late 1990's were certain Irish politician's voices allowed to be heard on UK TV.

I find ANY comparison with the treatment of Irish TERRORISTS held in the UK with the well documented (please visit Amnesty International website) state torture and persecution of political opponents and generally anyone they dissliked quite repulsive and utterly without merit or warrant. There WERE horrendus misscarriages of justice and acts of inhumanity enacted by BOTH sides...but unlike the terrorist groups, the British state has been held accountable in both the courts at home and in the European Courts of Justice. Political opponents of the Iranian government regularly turn to Britain and other European nations, ask them (please) whether they think the UK is as bad...or even nearly as bad as their home state...frankly, I cant recall opposition female MPs being pulled from street protests and raped in police cells of Westminster very recently...
As to the Irish "politicians" voices not being heard on UK TV...well, why was that...because they were terrorists, and political groups supporting terrorists...the moment they began talking and engaging the democractic process they were instantly given their voice.
As to the "holding" of Ulster...when a majority of the people of Ulster vote to leave the UK, then they will surely be given that opportunity, such as the Scots and Welsh have been given opportunity. This is called democracy.

Every government has blood on their hands - I would hazzard a guess that only certain nation's people (e.g. Denmark, Norway) have respect from their democratically voted governments.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I know enough to guess that as citizens, we are kept blind to the truth but must fight to see through 'buzz-words' and at the moment - Al-Queda, Iraq, Iran are rather convenient cover ups to keep us depoliticised for something we will find out about in 10 years time.
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Finally...I feel I can agree with some of what you say in that paragraph. But you are seriously mistaken if you think you can compare the UK or the USA to the totalitarian regimes across the globe. Even if we nod that both the UK and US governments are guilty of black ops, they still shine a whole brighter light than those governments you mention in comparison.

All the best.
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