Humiliation

[slave802120]

Blackmail comes in many subtle (and not so subtle forms). There IS I think consensual blackmail ( I know it sounds contradictory) "Being made to do something I wouldn/t willingling do on my own"?

Blackmail is about choice, so in that sense, to give in to a blackmail demand is to 'choose' that path. This isn't exactly 'consent' and in reality, even if the victim surrendered a little bit to begin with and then changed their mind later, it's still a crime in reality. A good recent example is the case of Cameron Diaz and her charges against the guy who filmed her doing that BDSM scene, which I'm sure plenty of people have already seen. There's a case of somebody who clearly volunteered to do one thing in a certain context, but when the very thing she once chose to do was used later to blackmail her, she had the guy charged, and she won her case. The same with Paris Hilton, although methinks she was more concerned that her 'secret video' was an embarrassment not because she's seen sucking cock in it, but that she is clearly inept at the task. hehe

kinkabella

[pejanon]

Blackmail is about choice, so in that sense, to give in to a blackmail demand is to 'choose' that path. This isn't exactly 'consent' and in reality, even if the victim surrendered a little bit to begin with and then changed their mind later, it's still a crime in reality. The same with Paris Hilton, although methinks she was more concerned that her 'secret video' was an embarrassment not because she's seen sucking cock in it, but that she is clearly inept at the task. hehe

kinkabella

Doing something in private and doing it on film for a lot of sweaty people is not exactly the same cup of tea, is it?
(Paris Hilton was concerned? Wasn't she just putting up the front? hehe)

Anyway I tough this was about fiction? That place where all that beautiful psychological acrobatics can be explored without real blackmailer messing oh so intricately constructed tableaus and scenarios? (I love to do what I hate only if I'm made to do it but I don't want to be made do it consensualy but it has to have at least an appearance of nonconsensuality except when etc…)
You know … the place between sleeping and waking …
And in fiction there isn't much choice in the begging. If the victim does not choose to go along … well I'll let her/him to their lives, and all the luck, but sorry, I will go on to next story where the victim submits, at least just a little.
Have fun

[slave802120]

Anyway I thought this was about fiction?

Yes, and my apologies if it sounded like I was trying to impose any sort of reality on the discussion about blackmail fantasy.

One of these days I might write a blackmail fantasy along these lines:

THE BLACKMAILER

It was a dark and stormy night. My hand trembled as I read the blackmailer's demands. 'I will tie you up in my dungeon and rape all your holes with my humungous, blood-engorged cock!!! You will love it!!!!!! If you don't surrender to my demands, I will post all the pix I have of your naked ass to the Internests!!!!!!!!!! GO TO THIS ADDRESS NOW!!!!!! (123 X Street, Dumbsville)'

"Oh woe! Woe is me! Whatever shall I do?" I cry.

"Call the police," my husband says.

The tone of his voice is flat and disinterested and he doesn't even look up from his cereal bowl or the morning paper in his hand.

"Oh. Yes, I never thought of that," I say.

I make the call to 911.

Later, over at 123 X Street, Dumbsville...

"It was only a joke!" Mr Blackmailer says as he's led away in handcuffs.

"Yeah, that's what they all say, buddy!"

A nosey neighbor peers over the fence and yells, "I hope they rape your puny ass in jail, Mr Blackmailer!!!!!!!!!!!"

The Blackmailer's face glows a deep shade of red. "This is so humiliating!" he wails.

The cops then bundle him into their car and speed off into the sunset.

The End

(c) 2005 by kinkabella

PS: Lovers of the Bret Easton Ellis' book 'American Psycho' will notice the unreliable narrative style of this little fantasy. Lovers of stroke stories should enjoy the overuse of exclamation marks as well. ;-)

LOL!

[pejanon]

PS: Lovers of the Bret Easton Ellis' book 'American Psycho' will notice the unreliable narrative style of this little fantasy. Lovers of stroke stories should enjoy the overuse of exclamation marks as well. ;-)

LOL!

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You write such beautifull stuff ... perhaps something along those lines?
I guess this is suposed to be funny. Not particulary - American Psyho or not!

If this is your idea of stroke story - you are dead wrong! (See above posts on detals and background.)

Have fun!

[Ranai]

THE BLACKMAILER
(...)
"Oh woe! Woe is me! Whatever shall I do?" I cry.

"Call the police," my husband says.

The tone of his voice is flat and disinterested and he doesn't even look up from his cereal bowl or the morning paper in his hand.

"Oh. Yes, I never thought of that," I say.
(...)
The cops then bundle him into their car and speed off into the sunset.

The End
(c) 2005 by kinkabella

:haha: kinkabella, you rock.

'Oh no!' quoth the erotica fantastica writer, 'It's the dreaded plausibility check!', and :exit: the fantastica writer goes... into the sunset.

Some plots need to shy the plausibility check like a Boggart shies away from laughter.
As erotica fantastica, they can be quite enjoyable though.

Anyway, the plausibility check means 'plausibility within the fictional framework'. As a writer you determine the parameters, the society, the rules, the possible consequences of this or that action or inaction. Blackmail fiction writers don't even need to invent reasons that would make sense in the real world; for the plot to work they merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work.

[pejanon]

Anyway, the plausibility check means 'plausibility within the fictional framework'. As a writer you determine the parameters, the society, the rules, the possible consequences of this or that action or inaction. Blackmail fiction writers don't even need to invent reasons that would make sense in the real world; for the plot to work they merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work.

This sums it up perfecty.

[Satan_Klaus]

Anyway, the plausibility check means 'plausibility within the fictional framework'. As a writer you determine the parameters, the society, the rules, the possible consequences of this or that action or inaction. Blackmail fiction writers don't even need to invent reasons that would make sense in the real world; for the plot to work they merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work.

Certainly true, but most blakmail fiction is set in the supposedly "real" world. Therefore many rules are already set because the reader knows something about the workings of the real world. In a purely fictional world anything goes.

In a world that deviates from ours in small but recognizable ways, the reader can not be sure that every rule that applies here is valid there but it still gives the story a "realistic" feeling because the worlds are so similar.
It is easier for the author to keep up the suspension of disbelief even in "implausible" situation.

Satan_Klaus

[pejanon]

Certainly true, but most blakmail fiction is set in the supposedly "real" world. Therefore many rules are already set because the reader knows something about the workings of the real world. In a purely fictional world anything goes.

In a world that deviates from ours in small but recognizable ways, the reader can not be sure that every rule that applies here is valid there but it still gives the story a "realistic" feeling because the worlds are so similar.
It is easier for the author to keep up the suspension of disbelief even in "implausible" situation.

Satan_Klaus

Yes, within real world. But real in fictional sense. No in real 'real' sense (reality is just to bumpy and upredictable).
And yes, blackmail stories must be most realistic in all the genre.
But I must agree with Ranai, You could place your story in, say, Mars base, invent any absurd initial blackmail wrench and than you .. .

"merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work."

Then we're back to humans and their relationships. Without that there's no blackmail/humiliation.

Can't agree that anything goes in purely fictional world. You still need "plausibility within the fictional framework" or if you prefer LeGuin's consistency rule: "No matter how preposterous your world is it must be consistent and you have to stick to it!"
Those "small deviations" can be great! P. Dick used that to keep the reader (and the characters) on the edge and whenever you perform 'reality check' he gives you another jolt. I'm not sure if something like that could be used in blackmail stores - but it would be interesting, certainly.


Have fun.

Pej

Hey, this is supposed to be Humiliation tread.