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[Ozme52]

I imagine, unless one was garbed in fetishwear, most people would never presume any show of dominance or submission to be anything more than a dispaly of a natural pecking order.

Even those who normally wear Goth, probably aren't seen in any manner other than in the fashion sense, as out of the ordinary.

[Warbaby1943]

I imagine, unless one was garbed in fetishwear, most people would never presume any show of dominance or submission to be anything more than a dispaly of a natural pecking order.

That is a very good point. I hadn't thought about it that way mostly because of the times we live in - woman's lib and all that stuff.

[mina]

Even those who normally wear Goth, probably aren't seen in any manner other than in the fashion sense, as out of the ordinary.

I have to disagree there, Oz. People can be very judgmental and if you dress like that then they assume you're either a wiccan or satanist or something.

[VixeyandPhoenix]

I have an amusing story. Vixey is Secretary, Accountant, Servant, Sex Slave etc... A couple of weeks ago she and I were in a restaurant with another couple and after the bill arrived Vixey spent 30 seconds too long chatting away and not reaching for the credit card, I simply snapped my fingers and went back to conversation while she promptly stopped what she was doing and paid the tab. It has now become a run-on joke between my friend and me. I don't think that they have a clue.

[Ozme52]

I have an amusing story. Vixey is Secretary, Accountant, Servant, Sex Slave etc... A couple of weeks ago she and I were in a restaurant with another couple and after the bill arrived Vixey spent 30 seconds too long chatting away and not reaching for the credit card, I simply snapped my fingers and went back to conversation while she promptly stopped what she was doing and paid the tab. It has now become a run-on joke between my friend and me. I don't think that they have a clue.

That's right to my point that such behavior, even if noted, is considered "normal" behavior for many vanilla male-female relationships.

[Ozme52]

I have to disagree there, Oz. People can be very judgmental and if you dress like that then they assume you're either a wiccan or satanist or something.

Maybe early on, as Goths first started "coming out" and maybe now... among those who are strict fundamentalists, but I think average Joe-&-Betty-America see it as nothing more than a fashion statement... or maybe I see it that way because I'm in California, which is admittedly more liberal than Mid-America.

And regardless of whether I'm right or wrong... I don't believe those who see Goths that way would think "bdsm" because, quite frankly, it's beyond the ken of their imagination to go there.