Quote Originally Posted by kaerose13 View Post
i need the thought that He could force me to obey even though he never would.
This really nailed it for me. Thank you for putting it into words so nicely Kaerose.

Quote Originally Posted by kaerose13 View Post
if i know that i could overpower somebody it doesn't require any trust for me to submit. also, i like to fight back, if i end that fight on top i'm no longer interested in submitting.
That is exactly from where my question came from.