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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Relying on career politicians who haven't even tried to make a go of it in the real world is what's brought us to this point. What makes anyone think that relying on them to fix it will make anything better?

    This quote is perfection. Term limits are not enough.

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    If career politicians are a problem, how to fix it?

    One Idea, make the house an amateur part of government, and the senate professional. The house of representatives, would have a two term lifetime limitation on it, and the Senators would have to be elected from past house members. Would allow continuous turnover of one part of legislature, and yet have a career base in the other, with the advantage that everyone who ran for the senate, would have a track record the voters could view.

    No campaign financing by unions, corporations, or involuntary organizations. All campaign financing should be individual donations, (unlimited, as I find it disturbing to tell others what they can use their money for) , and donations from voluntary organizations like the American Cival Liberties Union, or the National Rifle Association, (unlimited, for the same reason).

    Have a part time legislature. 90 days every two years sounds good to me, with only special sessions for budget emergencies, acts of war, or to issue letters of Marquie and Reprisal (Congress' way to initiate mililtary action should a commander in chief refuse to when it is necessary.) In the day of the internet they could do all their debates online, creating a permanant record of all their communications, and acts, both debating a bill and in their caucuses. The legislature could only go to Washington for the State of the Union, and to deal with confidential National Security issues only. Make them work out of offices in the geographic center of areas they represent, whether this is a large city or very small town. THen, if you did not like what your legislature is doing, go tell him/her. Talk about being in touch with their districts.

    PS if they only worked 90 days it would save money, as they would have to have JOBS. Another good way for them to keep in touch with their electorate:

    I know, probably not workable, but fun to think about.
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
    Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon View Post
    If career politicians are a problem, how to fix it?

    One Idea, make the house an amateur part of government, and the senate professional. The house of representatives, would have a two term lifetime limitation on it, and the Senators would have to be elected from past house members. Would allow continuous turnover of one part of legislature, and yet have a career base in the other, with the advantage that everyone who ran for the senate, would have a track record the voters could view.

    No campaign financing by unions, corporations, or involuntary organizations. All campaign financing should be individual donations, (unlimited, as I find it disturbing to tell others what they can use their money for) , and donations from voluntary organizations like the American Cival Liberties Union, or the National Rifle Association, (unlimited, for the same reason).

    Have a part time legislature. 90 days every two years sounds good to me, with only special sessions for budget emergencies, acts of war, or to issue letters of Marquie and Reprisal (Congress' way to initiate mililtary action should a commander in chief refuse to when it is necessary.) In the day of the internet they could do all their debates online, creating a permanant record of all their communications, and acts, both debating a bill and in their caucuses. The legislature could only go to Washington for the State of the Union, and to deal with confidential National Security issues only. Make them work out of offices in the geographic center of areas they represent, whether this is a large city or very small town. THen, if you did not like what your legislature is doing, go tell him/her. Talk about being in touch with their districts.

    PS if they only worked 90 days it would save money, as they would have to have JOBS. Another good way for them to keep in touch with their electorate:

    I know, probably not workable, but fun to think about.
    Originally, Congressional sessions were scheduled as they are because Congress was largely populated by farmers and such...they had to return to their fields and harvest or they would lose money. There were term limits, the laws they passed applied to ALL citizens, including those in Congress.

    What is truly scary is that the Federal Government is attempting to legalize thousands of illegal aliens and give them voting power. This will further the agenda of Socialism (which I truly believe to be the ultimate goal and no one will convince me otherwise). By granting full citizenship to illegal aliens and granting voting rights, which policies do you think they will vote for? The policies that give them handouts? The policies that retain their liberties yet demand that they work for a living?

    Socialization of our country?

    Maxine Waters
    President Obama
    This is just WRONG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelish View Post

    Much ado about nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion View Post
    Much ado about nothing?
    Pardon? The President of the United States, who is sworn in to uphold the Constitution and defend the Country cannot even pay respects to the flag???
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    I'm with Lion on this one. I see no reason why anyone should feel it necessary to display their patriotism openly. It shows no disrespect for the flag. It certainly was far less disrespectful than that rendition of the Star Spangled Banner! That person should have been shot!

    For the record, I don't place my hand over my heart for the Anthem either, though I do remove my hat. Does that make me a bad person?
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    I'm with Lion on this one. I see no reason why anyone should feel it necessary to display their patriotism openly. It shows no disrespect for the flag. It certainly was far less disrespectful than that rendition of the Star Spangled Banner! That person should have been shot!

    For the record, I don't place my hand over my heart for the Anthem either, though I do remove my hat. Does that make me a bad person?
    I choose to stand at attention! And am frustrated by the people that can not stand still for three and one half minutes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion View Post
    Much ado about nothing?
    It is not nothing and there has not been enough ado!

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    No! I changed my mind I am not going to say it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon View Post
    If career politicians are a problem, how to fix it?

    One Idea, make the house an amateur part of government, and the senate professional. The house of representatives, would have a two term lifetime limitation on it, and the Senators would have to be elected from past house members. Would allow continuous turnover of one part of legislature, and yet have a career base in the other, with the advantage that everyone who ran for the senate, would have a track record the voters could view.

    No campaign financing by unions, corporations, or involuntary organizations. All campaign financing should be individual donations, (unlimited, as I find it disturbing to tell others what they can use their money for) , and donations from voluntary organizations like the American Cival Liberties Union, or the National Rifle Association, (unlimited, for the same reason).

    Have a part time legislature. 90 days every two years sounds good to me, with only special sessions for budget emergencies, acts of war, or to issue letters of Marquie and Reprisal (Congress' way to initiate mililtary action should a commander in chief refuse to when it is necessary.) In the day of the internet they could do all their debates online, creating a permanant record of all their communications, and acts, both debating a bill and in their caucuses. The legislature could only go to Washington for the State of the Union, and to deal with confidential National Security issues only. Make them work out of offices in the geographic center of areas they represent, whether this is a large city or very small town. THen, if you did not like what your legislature is doing, go tell him/her. Talk about being in touch with their districts.

    PS if they only worked 90 days it would save money, as they would have to have JOBS. Another good way for them to keep in touch with their electorate:

    I know, probably not workable, but fun to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brwneydgirl View Post
    This quote is perfection. Term limits are not enough.
    How about a single term??

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