It seems like this turned into defining what a slave is and that gets so crazy. The one thing that really confuses me though is the idea that there is an actual, true to life definition of a slave that matches the Hard Fast Reality. I'm sure we all feel like anyone can call themselves anything, but we will still condescend to them that's how all these debates go. All I'm saying is, I'm sure all of us know of some kinds of "slaves" that we wish wouldn't call themselves that, perhaps because it makes us feel like we're being tricked, or misguided, or even misrepresented. But anyway I'm sure Harriet Tubman would probably look at us all and think "Can't they just call themselves surrendered lovers?" lol.

I think it's hard to make the point of, "it's different from online because when you're bound up at someone's feet you are at their mercy and then definitely their slave" because that's not, at least for me, the defining characteristic of consensual slavery (getting tied up and slapped around). I think there's something to be said, though, for the idea that once you are with someone and their physicality is affecting your physicality and the course of your life events can change without you being able to walk away from the computer/media source... But I'd perhaps characterize the difference between real life and online as "laundry" rather than "he's got you gagged and is fucking you up the ass and you totally physically can't stop him"