Time, death and the universe

[IAN 2411]

Late at night, a dark road (and if they're anything like the back roads around here it was DARK), he's riding all over the road, and you're staying back to make sure you don't hit him. Many different things could have happened, without resorting to alternate universes bleeding over into this one. Perhaps he swerved to the left while you moved to the right, and he drove off the road into a culvert without you noticing. Or he went to the side and stopped, while you weren't looking right at him. Almost anything could have happened to cause him to seem to disappear.

1/ that road was dead straight with a twelve foot laurel hedge either side running for about three miles. No gates, no houses, no roads. I am talking of a country road not the back streets of New York. I drove that road the following morning and I know the latter to be true. I have driven that road three times a week for 30 years and it has never changed.
2/ the man was no more than ten feet in front of me.
3/ I was travelling 3-5 mph...I could have walked faster. I stopped the car an got out, nothing and with the car headlights I could see nothing ahead.
4/ 7pm is not late at night, its early evening and been dark for about two hours.

One thing we have to remember is that, if this other universe is mingling with ours it would have physical, measurable effects on our universe.

Why, because you say that or you don’t believe it could be so. You have no knowledge of tests that have been done or what they were about, but you can rubbish their findings out of hand? I would also like to point out that if a phantom of another universe mingled with ours and you saw the phantom, then I would think that it is affecting our universe. You amaze me Thorne, you can believe a load of theories that you read about, but something that you have not or it does not comply with your thinking, then you rubbish out of hand as a load of twaddle.

People have been seeing ghosts from the beginning of human history, yet no one has ever been able to actually measure one. Or even capture one! I went on a "ghost" hunt once. Middle of the night, a dark field, half a dozen of us looking for ghosts. Everyone else saw them, or claimed to. All I saw was patches of mist drifting over the field. Because the weather was cold, and the air was damp. Water vapor, not ghosts.

People have a tendency to see patterns in random images, like seeing a face in the swirls of paint on a wall. When they see a vague shape, their brains tend to equate that shape with something familiar. Doesn't make what they see any less real, only brings into question their interpretation of what they saw.

I never said I saw a ghost, I said my wife and I saw something that we could not explain. We never told anyone about that night although years later while sitting in the lounge I brought it up a few times.

Just because you went on a ghost hunt and got cold and saw a few vapours you assume that seeing something like the wife and I saw is not possible. I was not looking for ghosts and it is you that is saying I saw a ghost. To go on a ghost hunt is in my mind lunacy anyway, what the hell were you looking for in a field? Ghost rabbits...whooo spooki, Brings to mind the start of Watership Down.

I have just thought of something else these guys said, not a sound echo but a visual echo. Yes, it’s even harder to believe than ghosts, but we know very little about the world we live in and even less about the makeup of the universe. I have an open mind and until a thing is proved with no shadow of a doubt I will remain sceptical.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

I would also like to point out that if a phantom of another universe mingled with ours and you saw the phantom, then I would think that it is affecting our universe.

That was my point as well. If you can actually see it, you should be able to photograph, or measure, or get some kind of data from it, since it's interacting with our reality.

I'm not denying that you saw something, and I obviously cannot explain what you saw or how you saw it. I'm only saying that jumping to the conclusion that was some kind of supernatural event or strange mingling of parallel universes or something should probably be at the very bottom of your list of explanations, barring any real evidence.

You amaze me Thorne, you can believe a load of theories that you read about, but something that you have not or it does not comply with your thinking, then you rubbish out of hand as a load of twaddle.

Not my intention at all. True, I probably didn't see the program you mentioned, but I have read about alternate/parallel universes, and while there may not be any laws of physics that prohibit them from existing, there is also no evidence that they do in fact exist. Speculation, even when done by reputable scientists, is still nothing more than guesswork.

Just because you went on a ghost hunt and got cold and saw a few vapours you assume that seeing something like the wife and I saw is not possible. I was not looking for ghosts and it is you that is saying I saw a ghost.

Sorry, just using the term "ghost" as shorthand. And I'm not assuming what you saw isn't possible, just that it's not likely to be explainable by invoking the idea of a parallel universe, at least until other, more mundane, explanations have been exhausted. I believe that you saw what you say you saw, I'm just not willing to accept the idea that it was some kind of mingling of universes without exhausting all other explanations first.

To go on a ghost hunt is in my mind lunacy anyway, what the hell were you looking for in a field?

LOL. We were young, at a party with family, someone said they had seen ghosts at this old field before, so we bundled up and went. Walking through a dark field, moonlight reflecting off of the dew, keeping my girl warm. Best ghost hunt I ever had.

I have just thought of something else these guys said, not a sound echo but a visual echo. Yes, it’s even harder to believe than ghosts,

Actually, that's easier to believe. I have heard of some weird reflection events where lights seem to appear where there should not be any lights. A visual echo, if you will. I don't recall ever hearing of an echo like what you described, but I suppose it might be possible. Again, I would find that easier to accept, given our current knowledge of this universe, than that we are bumping uglies with some other universe.

I have an open mind and until a thing is proved with no shadow of a doubt I will remain sceptical.

Then you must remain skeptical. NOTHING can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. We can only accumulate evidence to show that something is very likely to be true, or not. And it is impossible to prove that something does NOT exist. You can show all the negative evidence that, for example, there are no unicorns, but all that evidence wouldn't mean a thing if you turned the next corner and bumped into one. But if you don't get some hair samples, or capture the thing, or maybe get some pictures, along with a lot of corroborating evidence, I'm still going to question whether you actually saw what you think you saw.

I try to keep an open mind as well. I just don't let any old explanation fall in unless there's good evidence for it.