poll for deleting snuff stories

[veru_skjava]

*smiles* as she steps out of her lil shell

I am a clinical Social Worker, and would just like to go on record as defining pedophila

It is sex with a child under the age of 12!

Sex under the age of 16 is statutory rape, since it can be consensual but the law says it is irrelevant wether it is concensual or not.

Hope that clears things up a bit...

veru skjava

[bunnyrabbit48]

Okay, I just joined in, but I've been in thå BDSM circle for over 2 decades now. One of the things I like is hunt around in North America for BDSM party. In one of the party I went to in another city, the host was kind enough to provide a speech at the end of the party, more of a get together speech, and surprisingly, I learned something that I never forget and it's quite useful.

He said "make sure you don't express the opinion of 'Your kink is not my kink'", he went on and said "everyone has their own set of kinky fantasies, it is important that even we don't understand why some other's kink and fantasies is a turn-on, we have to respect it and keep the opinion to ourselves."

I don't like snuff stories neither, but if it is a fantasy, there is nothing wrong with it. I have heard a real story, however, from this radio show, "Rhona At Night", and this girl called in & said she only gets turn on by someone choking her by the throat. My guess is, due to the nature of the way a person's heart functions, the orgasm is more intense if she is being choked. Clearly it is a dangerous game. But there is a circle of that kind of kink around.

[VLMarquette]

I think we are rapidly moving away from Snuff and going on to other things.

Taisho:

First, when I said that in regard to DL, I was under the impression that snuff still meant what it meant in the 1920's, and not the glorified attempt to make murder sexy. And although in my state 14 is legal to have sex, if you read both of my BAC works, teem sex for a boy begins at 15 and for a young lady at 16.

And I still stand by my statement, that even though, I do not like many of the stories I see here, it all comes down to the fact and truth that unless we wish censorship to dictate our lives and thoughts. The approve or no, all things when written in fantasy must be allowed.


V.L. Marquette.

[Finding_Fantasy]

I agree, VLMarquette. My philosphy on all things (well most things) is if you don't like it, don't look. The descriptions of the works tells exacly what is contained in the story. Read them. If you don't think that the content is for you, don§t read it. However, if you don't agree with what is written, that doesn't mean that what is there should be denied to others that are interested in it.

Granted, snuff and stuff are not my bag of tricks, but who knows, perhaps I may get curious enough one of these days. I just don't feel censorship is warranted. I will repeat, if you don't like what the sotry contains...don't read it. Simple as that.

[Taisho]

Sounds like most of us are in agreement then!

Good Luck

T

[adderallrules]

please keep them. i don;t like all of them but the ones that i do, i like them very much. it almopst sounds like Tipper Gore is tring to get into the group. :0

[Mobius]

It is the altimate act of Submission.

Lose the Female Dom storys.
Big Turn off

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Originally posted by bbeale7
It is the altimate act of Submission.

Lose the Female Dom storys.
Big Turn off

It is NOT the ultimate act of submission to get oneself killed for one's or by one's dominant. The very idea that you would think so makes me wonder about you in terms of sanity.

I'm sure that at least some of the other 8000+ members of the site and forums would like the femdom stories kept right where they are.

[Mobius]

It does not have to be M/f I love F/f Allot more than Limp wristed
F/m

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Originally posted by bbeale7
It does not have to be M/f I love F/f Allot more than Limp wristed
F/m

And your point is what exactly? That you are god of all you survey and no one else's opinion matters to you in your supremacy.

As I said before, yours is not the only opinion here. If you don't like femdom stories, don't read them.

Case closed. Sayonara.

[Finding_Fantasy]

A man submitting to a woman should not be considered as a "sissy boy" thing to do. It is damned hard to submitt to someone. Just because someone wants to reliquish control of themselves does not mean they are weak? Do you think that because a female submits that she is weak? If you so, then that is the most chauvanistic view I have heard of yet. And like my Master said...you don't like it, don't read it. No one is forcing you!!! But if something like snuff is going to stay, the they sure as hell aren't going to get rid of F/m stories just because you find them dull.

[veru_skjava]

wow, haven't we discussed this, censoring one catagory, basically opens the doors to censoring all of them and then the site itself.

Codes are there, use em.


veru skjava

[Mobius]

what do you expect from a guy. Of course it is a chovanist statment.
I did say I found A women submiting to an other Women more erotic than a Man Dominating a Women.
It is only an Opinion not a mandate. No, I am not the Overlord.
I do not control this fine website. One of a very few that is Free.
I have supported this site and will in the future.

I am sorry but in my humble opinion A Man submiting to a woman is "Gay" Not that there is any thing wrong with that. as Sinfield said.

I guess I am a closet queer becouse I have Read quite a few forced fem storys and Like them.

Not that I would do that or try that.
I think it is more a Lesby thing than a power exchange.
On the issue of Snuff Storys to be truthfull. They are not that great. I can take or leave them.

But give me a story of an older women Dominating or controling a submissive yonger Female.
That turns my crank every time.

Again only a opinion

[veru_skjava]

What would you prefer, that the Dommes that are into men do then?

Reminds me of when people thought male nurses were "gay" and as a person hospitalized quite often, I love the male nurses, they are in my opinion more compassionate and gentle at times then some of the females.

Kink is individual, and neither right nor wrong. As is interest in what fiction we read.

veru skjava

[Mobius]

Do as they like. What ever makes them happy.
I was only stating my feelings. not any one elses.

[Finding_Fantasy]

I believe what got got up everyone's hackles was when you said "Lose the Female Dom storys.Big Turn off

To me, this makes it sound as if, just because you don't like them, they should be deleted. *shrugs* Same thing as wanting snuff deleted.

[Mobius]

I mearly gave my vote. And My vote is Fem Dom story's are Gay
and not very erotic, In my opinion.

No that is not a mandate.
I have no power over any one.
No one should feel threatened.
Yes of course I will not read what I do not find exiting.

Lets start a Poll on what ellaments every one finds exiting.
Every one has a little thing.
Some find a well turned ankle aluring
Some people find a dead rabbit hot (not me)

[veru_skjava]

laughing hard @ dead rabbit....

well ok and the ankle comment, as my master loves my ankles.. *smiles*

He also lives where the national and all time favorite dish is .... yep you guessed it...... rabbit (ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww)

just had to laugh...

veru skjava

[bunnyrabbit48]

Hey, who wants to chew me up and eat me?

[BruceBoxer]

Originally posted by bunnyrabbit48
Hey, who wants to chew me up and eat me?

I volunteer Bun!

[LaJan]

LMAO! This subject has sure gone to hell in a handbasket! I don't know what my definition of a "thread" was but rest assured it wasn't the tenuous filament connecting these disparate thoughts!

Someone mention a few people jumped off into differing subjects (such as the one a mentioned: pedophilia). While I didn’t find my comparison between like forms of censorship ‘wandering off the subject’, for the life of me I can’t find labeling male submissive fiction as “gay” related to the topic of banning snuff stories in any way, shape or form. Call me dense but this thread seems to be becoming rather ‘thread-bare’ the longer it’s allowed to digress.

The original subject remains relevant: should some form of censorship be allowed to permeate the hallowed realms of BDSM Library for any reason whatsoever. And again I state that responsible adults may choose what they wish to read, write or personally edit from their lives without denying others the right to do likewise. I have all sorts of personal likes and dislikes (none of which need be alliterated here); they are merely personal decisions to enjoy as the purview of my entertainment. I will assume that America’s highly cherished “freedom of choice” is honoured in cyberspace as if it were American soil (admittedly, a blatantly nationalistic bias but what the fuck? I’m a freakin’ American).

As for bbeale’s statement: “what do you expect from a guy. Of course it is a chovanist (sic) statment (sic)”, I find that manner of sexist ‘gender-grouping’ much more offensive than the original topic since I am both a male and a gentleman (albeit, one passionately interested in ‘rape fantasy’). But that’s just “my humble opinion…”

By the way, bunnyrabbit48, do I need to chew you to eat you or may I just savour you as I would an oyster? Just curious.

[VLMarquette]

bbeale7
This is a quote
__________________________________________________ _
You asked for an opinion, I gave one
what do you expect from a guy. Of course it is a chovanist statment.
I did say I found A women submiting to an other Women more erotic than a Man Dominating a Women.
It is only an Opinion not a mandate. No, I am not the Overlord.
I do not control this fine website. One of a very few that is Free.
I have supported this site and will in the future.

I am sorry but in my humble opinion A Man submiting to a woman is "Gay" Not that there is any thing wrong with that. as Sinfield said.

I guess I am a closet queer becouse I have Read quite a few forced fem storys and Like them.

Not that I would do that or try that.
I think it is more a Lesby thing than a power exchange.
On the issue of Snuff Storys to be truthfull. They are not that great. I can take or leave them.

But give me a story of an older women Dominating or controling a submissive yonger Female.
That turns my crank every time.

Again only a opinion

__________________________________________________ __

Well Dog.

Who would have ever thunk?

Okay, so maybe I was a way bit to hard on him. Sorry, I forget for a moment that this is all strictly opinions. And even though I do not agree with him, this sticky freedom of screech that we are all fighting to protect. Gives him the right to have an opinion that I do not agree with. So sorry friend. I'll sheath my claws and stop hissing at you.



LOL


Ronnie.












bbeale7

[write4jetc]

Actually, I have just thought twice about my comments; they were in response to these statements:

<<I did say I found A women submiting to an other Women more erotic than a Man Dominating a Women.

am sorry but in my humble opinion A Man submiting to a woman is "Gay" Not that there is any thing wrong with that. as Sinfield said.

I guess I am a closet queer becouse I have Read quite a few forced fem storys and Like them.

I think it is more a Lesby thing than a power exchange.>>

However, my comments would be even more off topic than these were, so I'll pass. I'm sure it'll come up again somewhere else.

[ootwee]

I don't like snuff fantasies. As long as I am informed beforehand and I am not surprised by them or lured into reading a story I see no reason to delete or refuse them.
But I am still repulsed even when thinking about it...

[VLMarquette]

[B]Let's Get Bacl To The Subject, Shall We???[/h


The question is still very much active, gentlefolk. Should we or should we not allow stories involving snuff to be welcome in this site?

And I still am going with the majority that still stand on free speech. Censorship is just a big ugly dog, that I don't think we should take out of his cage.

Okay, there, I think I've took the subject and turned to back around to where I think we should have stayed.

Now I'm not naming names, and Goddess knows I dragged this thread off more than once. But, hopefully, I think we can go back on with the subject.


V.L. Marquette.

[BruceBoxer]

I concur of no censorship--use the codes and don't read what you don't want to--kinda like how I turn off Rush Limbaugh when he's on a tirade...

[MasterRJ]

(you know, sadly, I told my self I was gonna read every last post, but low and behold I got to page seven and I just stopped caring...so...)

Here's my two cents on stories that involve snuff and or kids. I use 'em both on internet RPs. I won't lie...I enjoy it. In one recent RP, thirteen year old Halie Moore is abducted by her brother and forced to live as his love slave only to awake and realise it was only a dream. There is a repeat of the dream before Halie goes to see a specialist. The specialist hypnotises her and controls her body, making her dreams worse. It is now that the dreams destroy her good childhood memories. Opening her pressents on Christmas morning she finds the heads of some of her family members and santa decides to play some reindeer games with out helpless heroine. The fact of the matter is, when I RP, my ultimate goal is to violate the psyche of the other person's character. What better way then to make her death a slow and painful sexually humiliating one? Aren't people of younger ages more sensitive to sex crimes? It's been said before, my kink isn't your kink. If my stories fantasies are too extreme for you then learn to deal. They are my fantasies.

[Mobius]

Originally posted by BruceBoxer
I concur of no censorship--use the codes and don't read what you don't want to--kinda like how I turn off Rush Limbaugh when he's on a tirade...

Ditto Keep the snuff and the gay F/m storys

[Warrior]

Ditto Keep the snuff and the gay F/m storys

F/m stories are not gay. Female + male = straight. And F/m stories are my favourite. There should be more of them, not less!

I say keep the snuff; just because it doesn't appeal to some doesn't mean those who enjoy reading/writing it should miss out. Snuff is a turn off for me, and I generally avoid it (not hard to do, there isn't that much of it). But I have read a couple (I have an open mind and like to read things at least once). Same with scat - it's a total turn off, but when mixed with a good long story with more enjoyable elements (such as F/m), it can add to the plot and character development (or be forgotten). And (very rarely) I will read a story with something I dislike as the main theme, just for the idea behind it (the idea has to be relatively new to me).

Is'nt "snuff" the ultimate limit? I seriously doubt anyone in their right mind would want to be killed for the sexual pleasure of another. Nor do I think anyone, again in their right mind, would want to kill someone for their sexual pleasure.

Too right mate, fantasy is a way of experiencing things which in ordinary life would be impossible or the consequences too undesirable. Murdering someone has the undesirable consequences of permanently damaging a healthy persons mind (take people who have gone to war) and the huge risk of life imprisonment. Therefore most murderers have damaged minds. The few who don't are ones who are of sound mind and convince themselves murder is the only way to protect themselves (and it really was the only way, i.e. they aren't paranoid). Pre-meditated murders (in peace-time) are often (if not always) done by people with damaged minds.

I believe that we should take away very few choices. Even then, most of the time we have only imposed negative consequences and haven't really taken away the choice (e.g. murder, people still CAN murder, but they CHOOSE not to).

NOTE: I have read a bit on philosophy and pyschology, but I am not a reliable source, so don't quote what I have written above as fact.

[Spitman]

LaJan,

You obviously haven't picked up that death and murder are not at all the same thing. Murder implies that someone has carried out a brutal attack on a victim, but death can occur without any such thing happening, and in the case of consensual participation in a scenario that results in death, there does not have to be another participant at all. However suicide does not describe it accurately either, since the participant may simply have a different priority, namely her own sexual gratification. I think that explains sufficiently well why my interest is very different from what anyone would justifiably describe as murder.