Bush's Place in History.

[Belgarold]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

[mkemse]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

I believe but I could be wrong but Micheal Steele the Charman of the RNC Last Night told people to ignore Rush that he does not speak for the vast majority of Republicans and he is just expressing his view, but he did emphisise for peole to pay no attention to Rush and the Party will distance itself from him as they can
But Rush does love oxicondin

[wmrs2]

I believe but I could be wrong but Micheal Steele the Charman of the RNC Last Night told people to ignore Rush that he does not speak for the vast majority of Republicans and he is just expressing his view, but he did emphisise for peole to pay no attention to Rush and the Party will distance itself from him as they can
But Rush does love oxicondin

M. Steele apologized fo Rush this morning for the remarks he made. Mr.Steel was slow to catch on to the strategy of the liberal commentators who refuse to recognize "But if." Liberal commentators will never stop twisting the facts if they can keep the two parties divided. What Oboma is trying to do is include everybody in the government. Right now I believe that but the die hards will not let go of their criticisms of the past.

Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.

[mkemse]

M. Steele apologized fo Rush this morning for the remarks he made. Mr.Steel was slow to catch on to the strategy of the liberal commentators who refuse to recognize "But if." Liberal commentators will never stop twisting the facts if they can keep the two parties divided. What Oboma is trying to do is include everybody in the government. Right now I believe that but the die hards will not let go of their criticisms of the past.

Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.

I just located that apology which to me means the Rush LImbough runs the RNC not Steele, just my opinion but limbough also said he would rather commit Hari Kari then Run a Party in the sad shape the RNC is in right now, he woule stop being a Repubican if he was approached about the RNC
But I did see Micheal Stelles apology

[DuncanONeil]

I just located that apology which to me means the Rush LImbough runs the RNC not Steele, just my opinion but limbough also said he would rather commit Hari Kari then Run a Party in the sad shape the RNC is in right now, he woule stop being a Repubican if he was approached about the RNC
But I did see Micheal Stelles apology

Interesting! You say the apology is because Limbaugh runs the RNC. yet admit that he has said he would have nothing to do with the RNC. Yet you still believe that "Micheal Stelles apology" is proof to the contrary. Verrrrry interesting!

[Thorne]

Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

[Belgarold]

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

Well-said Thorne. And until we can put aside the bickering and posturing we will get nowhere. Yes, Rush and his ilk, and that includes some on my side of the aisle as well, have an AGENDA and it is a personal agenda. Calculated to gain ratings and more power.

For instance, as I have said, I dont agree with you Thorne on every issue. But I believe you have the best interests of the country at heart. As I feel I do and the President. And until we can all join hands, even with those we don't agree with, we will not get out of this mess.

Anyway, thank you for your reasoned post.

[wmrs2]

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

I can buy that, although it is difficult to put the past behind us. It can be done.

[DuncanONeil]

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

Some of what you said bothers me a very basic level, but I will let that slide.
I have found a number of people across various forums that even when presented with factual information simply refuse to consider that information. How would you propose to get them to consider the information?

[DuncanONeil]

"Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country."

But you think random throwing of vast sums of money in all kinds of random directions IS good for the country?

[wmrs2]

"Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country."

But you think random throwing of vast sums of money in all kinds of random directions IS good for the country?

Hell no! Continue please, you are doing great.

[wmrs2]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

Don't bite on that worm. Commentators live to get you upset. Limbaugh gets a kick out of making Dems and Liberals go off half cocked accusing people of being UnAmerican and judgmental. You play into his hands with such responses, he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you.

Let us try to be bigger than both the rhetoric of the liberal and conservative commentators. They probably call each other tonight to plan their next argument to upset as many people as they can. I wish I could make money off everybody's anger like they do. Look, point out the facts and leave it at that.

[mkemse]

Don't bite on that worm. Commentators live to get you upset. Limbaugh gets a kick out of making Dems and Liberals go off half cocked accusing people of being UnAmerican and judgmental. You play into his hands with such responses, he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you.

Let us try to be bigger than both the rhetoric of the liberal and conservative commentators. They probably call each other tonight to plan their next argument to upset as many people as they can. I wish I could make money off everybody's anger like they do. Look, point out the facts and leave it at that.

Yes we are I agree let's all live together as 1

[wmrs2]

Yes we are I agree let's all live together as 1

Great! All Bush haters, all Rush haters, all liberal press haters, all broad minded Rep. and Dems, we finally love each other. I hope this last but, the question is, who will be first among us to break the unity. Not me. Fight the temptation, please.

[DuncanONeil]

"he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you."

Limbaugh does not make money off anyone's anger, he makes it by people listening.

[wmrs2]

"he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you."

Limbaugh does not make money off anyone's anger, he makes it by people listening.

I know, you are correct. I was trying to point out that being angry over truthful statements does not help get the opposing idea across. Most people who criticize Rush never listen to him. I may be a little sadistic here,but it gives me rush (pun intended) when liberals flip their lid over Rush.

[DuncanONeil]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

Again you are incorrect. There is no worship of Limbaugh among his listeners. Being correct, succinct, and entertaining does not make one a messiah. To revere a person as a messiah requires a certain amount of faith. A faith that overlooks anything that could lessen the reverence for the figure.

Unlike many main stream outlets dissension is welcomed by Limbaugh. But that does not mean that he will not attempt to show that person where they may be mistaken. In fact Limbaugh will move a self described liberal to the head of the queue.

I have a question, have you spent any time listening to the Limbaugh show? Or are you relying on reports of what he has said? Be careful with the answer, there may be a test.

[Belgarold]

Again you are incorrect. There is no worship of Limbaugh among his listeners. Being correct, succinct, and entertaining does not make one a messiah. To revere a person as a messiah requires a certain amount of faith. A faith that overlooks anything that could lessen the reverence for the figure.

Unlike many main stream outlets dissension is welcomed by Limbaugh. But that does not mean that he will not attempt to show that person where they may be mistaken. In fact Limbaugh will move a self described liberal to the head of the queue.

I have a question, have you spent any time listening to the Limbaugh show? Or are you relying on reports of what he has said? Be careful with the answer, there may be a test.

As a matter of fact I have. I go by the adage "know your enemy." I listen to O'Reilly spin as well. Limbaugh, to gain ratings, is angry, spewing lies and half-truths, racism, inciting violence. He is a hate-monger and power-hungry opportunist.

Do YOU listen to anyone but Fox News or the conservative controlled media?

And I am still waiting for any real facts that support your position. THAT is my test.

[mkemse]

the biggest issue with the RNC is nobody in the Hieracxhy of the GOP has the GUTS to stand up to Rush Limbough

[wmrs2]

the biggest issue with the RNC is nobody in the Hieracxhy of the GOP has the GUTS to stand up to Rush Limbough

Now see! Just when we were getting off to such a good start, you start with your Guts theory. You need to try harder than this.

[mkemse]

Now see! Just when we were getting off to such a good start, you start with your Guts theory. You need to try harder than this.

It is just my opinion, which i am intitled you , some may no like it, by my Freedom of speach allows me to sat that

[DuncanONeil]

the biggest issue with the RNC is nobody in the Hieracxhy of the GOP has the GUTS to stand up to Rush Limbough

Close but no cigar. No one in the hierarchy of the RNC have the guts to stand up, period!

[mkemse]

As President Obma said "We are The UNITED States of America, not the Blue States, Red State, Yellow States of America but the United States Of America all people in one Nation"

[wmrs2]

As President Obma said "We are The UNITED States of America, not the Blue States, Red State, Yellow States of America but the United States Of America all people in one Nation"

Now, that is a little better. Keep trying and we'll all get there together.

[Belgarold]

Rush would do ANYTHING that would get him more ratings. And I think the point is, he incites fanatics. And with recent events, has delusions of grandeur. An analogy would be the cowardly leaders of groups like Al Quaida. He incites those crazy fanatical people to don a white sheet, and torture and kill innocent people, if it would further his aims. Just like Al Quaida convinces crazy fanatical people to blow themselves up for their sick aims.

I swear, this messiah complex is SO interesting.

In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) Third president of the United States.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British politician.

[wmrs2]

Rush would do ANYTHING that would get him more ratings. And I think the point is, he incites fanatics. And with recent events, has delusions of grandeur. An analogy would be the cowardly leaders of groups like Al Quaida. He incites those crazy fanatical people to don a white sheet, and torture and kill innocent people, if it would further his aims. Just like Al Quaida convinces crazy fanatical people to blow themselves up for their sick aims.

I swear, this messiah complex is SO interesting.

In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal.
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) Third president of the United States.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British politician.

Brother, I hope you will re-read what you just said. Will your criticism of Bush never end? Who do you think you are inciting with your continual abuse of President Bush? Thomas Jefferson knew what he was talking about. I wish you would listen to him. Change the subject!

[mkemse]

I also wonder if Obama is getting the "Grief" he is nott because the is doing what he i doing,but if anyone is playing the "Race Card" because he is our First Afican American Prsident" and I do not remember any other President in history who has recieived so much flack, and critism after beinging office for just 4-5 weeks, nobody did this to Either Bush's Or Clinton, Or Carter ect ect after they were only in office for 4-5 weeks, maybe after thier 1 years but cetaibly not with their first 100 days, if anythin there wer critisized for not have done anything

we need to concetrate more on getting thins done and worry less about who's fault it is
up til 2006 The Republicans Controlled Congres and the White House and even when the Democrats took control in 2006 they still had a Conversative President who had veto rights over their actions

as someone in washington said the other day "The Repulicans drove us into this ditch, and now theyare complaiing about the size of the tow truck to pull us out" this is NOT MY PERSONAL OPINON but simpy lwhat I heard on the Radio
No Bush is not responsble for the Sub Prime Crisis, the Banks are, if a person wants to buy a house and only earns $2,000 a month, you don't sell them a house who's mortage will be $1.500, they need money for goods and other nescessaties, so to me most of the blame for this goes to the Banks not the goverment, and outside of FDIC insurance the Goverment does not own most banks unless the bank failed and was taken over. Banks are unregulated and they use terrible judgment is making loans even credit card
I have a 14 month old Guiness PIg, yes guinea pig, he recieved a Gold Visa Card from Citibank the other day,not a pre apprved appication but the acutal card itself his name ect was on it I called the bank told them the card was issued to a 14 mont old guinea pig,, their reply was "Oh, guess we made a mistake"
This is the reason our Banks are in trouble, for sending a college kid a via or Master card WHILE they are still in school with a $5,000 on it, and the kid did not even apply for it, it was just sent to him, he does not have the abilit to pay one off, yes he can and did throw it out,the point is this shows how incredably reckless banks are on extending credit to people who can't afford it, not to mention to a Guinea Pig of all things, this is why are banks are in the mess today that they are in, reckless extention of credit to those who they know can't afford to pay back, the need to run credit chaecks on people before they send cards out, if they had done that with my Guinea Pig he never would have gotten a Gold Vsa with a $10,000 line of Credit

[DuncanONeil]

"Bush is not responsble for the Sub Prime Crisis, the Banks are,"

Sorry I can not agree that the fault lies with the banks. I must lay the blame on the Democrat Congress that required banks to set aside sound loan practices and lend money to people that were a poor risk for paying the loan off.
Then there are the people that took advantage of attractive rates to refinance their home to put money in their pocket. Being "underwater" in a home is not the same as other things. Underwater in a car you are on the wrong side of a liability. A home is an asset.

[Belgarold]

"Bush is not responsble for the Sub Prime Crisis, the Banks are,"

Sorry I can not agree that the fault lies with the banks. I must lay the blame on the Democrat Congress that required banks to set aside sound loan practices and lend money to people that were a poor risk for paying the loan off.
Then there are the people that took advantage of attractive rates to refinance their home to put money in their pocket. Being "underwater" in a home is not the same as other things. Underwater in a car you are on the wrong side of a liability. A home is an asset.

um, The Congress was decidedly Republican when the regulations were stripped from the banking industry. And No laws REQUIRED lenders to lend to poor risk lenders.

The poor risk lending was made by unscrupulous lenders wishing to make a fast book over making loans to ignorant lendees.

Your information here is COMPLETELY false.

[DuncanONeil]

There are two governing laws:

• The Fair Housing Act of 1968
• The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977

The make up in both of the Congresses of the time was majority Democrat in both houses! By ratios even higher than today;

• 90th Congress
  
  • Senate -- 64(D) 36(R)
  • House -- 247 (D) 187 (R)
• 95th Congress
  
  • Senate -- 61(D) 39(R)
  • House -- 292(D) 143(R)

So to try to blame this on the Republican party does not comport with the facts.

Further, to make it a violation of law to not give loans to persons in a certain area or certain type, without regard to any reason, is exactly the same as saying; "you must lend even if they look like a bad risk. Fail to do so at your own peril! Do not forget we control your existence as a business!"

um, The Congress was decidedly Republican when the regulations were stripped from the banking industry. And No laws REQUIRED lenders to lend to poor risk lenders.

The poor risk lending was made by unscrupulous lenders wishing to make a fast book over making loans to ignorant lendees.

Your information here is COMPLETELY false.