Is it topping from the bottom or orneriness?

[_ID_]

Well I feel that since she was attempting to get her partner to Dominate her, even as much as he may wanted to, as a Dominant if he didn't want to, and she had persisted to the point he relented and did as she wanted. It could be seen as topping from the bottom because she controlled the dominant.

I feel topping from the bottom is done with ill intent, the submissive looking to undermine the Dom. If that isn't the intent, then it doesn't fall into the category of topping from the bottom.

But thats just my view.

[fantassy]

Can a strong Dom be "topped from the bottom"? I mean, doesn't the Dom have to allow it for it to occur? - for the sub to have more control than the Dom wishes? I'm sure many would say I top from the bottom because I let my desires be known. But my Dom encourages this communication, so is it really topping since it is within the parameters set by my Dom? I don't think so.

fantassy

[orchidsoul]

Well I feel that since she was attempting to get her partner to Dominate her, even as much as he may wanted to, as a Dominant if he didn't want to, and she had persisted to the point he relented and did as she wanted. It could be seen as topping from the bottom because she controlled the dominant.

I feel topping from the bottom is done with ill intent, the submissive looking to undermine the Dom. If that isn't the intent, then it doesn't fall into the category of topping from the bottom.

But thats just my view.

Thanks for elaborating.

This is where I get confused on the fine line issue- why is expressing one's needs if they're not being met, even using persistence, topping from the bottom? I get it in theory, particularly because you explained it well. What I don't get is why it's more than having a discussion that turns into an argument where someone tries to...well, for lack of a better word, win? I'm probably missing something here though, or maybe because I've never brought d/s outside of a bedroom my approach to a discussion would be different?

I think including ill-intent in your definition of TFTB is an important association because there is a negative connotation to TFTB, so a negative (ill-intent) should be included, also making it less encompassing.