Out of body religious experiences

[Rhabbi]

There's plenty of sub categories of Apatheism. Aparently I care enough to have this discussion, don't I? As I said, these definitions have all evolved in relation to Christianity and that's why they have the wording they do.

My interpretation is that I don't give any credibility to theories which are indistinguishable from fantasy. I don't care about them if you will. If a Christian says that they'll go to heaven when they die but refuse to show any evidence for it that I can in any way corroborate....well...then there's not much to have a discussion about. The Christian in this case has based a decision on faulty reasoning derived from incomplete evidence.

The thing is Tom, not all Christians claim they will go to heaven. I personally have no idea who, if anyone, will go to heaven. that is not my decision. I am not in management, just customer service.

You really know very little about the beliefs of Christians, or you would not have made some of the comments you have made. What you keep focusing on are the opinions of a few of the radical right wing of the Christian groups, those who are willing to compromise their stated beliefs to support anyone who pays lip service to their hot button issues. Why you would think that I would base my faith on the thoughts of a bunch of hypocrites is beyond me.

[John56{vg}]

You really know very little about the beliefs of Christians, or you would not have made some of the comments you have made. What you keep focusing on are the opinions of a few of the radical right wing of the Christian groups, those who are willing to compromise their stated beliefs to support anyone who pays lip service to their hot button issues. Why you would think that I would base my faith on the thoughts of a bunch of hypocrites is beyond me.

Good point Rhabbi.

I think there are just as many ignorant atheists and scientists as there are ignorant fundamentalist CHristians.

Ignorance is what the root word says, ignoring the senses and discoveries. I belive wholeheartedly in the Theory of evolution, becasue it makes sense and we can see it in operation all around us. And it doesn not preclude the operation of a supreme being, IMHO. It is still magical and amzing and wondrous as a lot of things in nature and the universe.

Atheists and some scientists ignore the operation of this magical force. The chemistry of attraction, The miracle and magic of birth, the prayer that is intuition. And I have had several events in my life that I cannot explain. I choose to belive they are messages from a supernatural force. But just like the Fundamentalist Christian closes his or her eyes to the meesages that say evoluytion is very real, the atheist closes his or her eyes to the very real possibility theat there are forces greater than we are, that are Super-natural.

Again, my humble opinion.

[TomOfSweden]

The thing is Tom, not all Christians claim they will go to heaven. I personally have no idea who, if anyone, will go to heaven. that is not my decision. I am not in management, just customer service.

You really know very little about the beliefs of Christians, or you would not have made some of the comments you have made. What you keep focusing on are the opinions of a few of the radical right wing of the Christian groups, those who are willing to compromise their stated beliefs to support anyone who pays lip service to their hot button issues. Why you would think that I would base my faith on the thoughts of a bunch of hypocrites is beyond me.

Well, that shut me up. As usual most people react to and base our opinions on the most extreme cases. As do I aparently, no matter how much I think I don't. Touche. But I've had discussions earlier where Christians here, that have said that they do believe they will go to heaven when they die, so I don't think it's confined to the extreme right wing. But you've made it aparent that it doesn't aply to you. Soooo.....erm...yeah. You win.

It's wonderful to have one of these moments where the world is a little bit more beautiful than you had imagined just a moment ago. Even though Rabbit isn't with us any longer.

[Rhabbi]

Well, that shut me up. As usual most people react to and base our opinions on the most extreme cases. As do I aparently, no matter how much I think I don't. Touche. But I've had discussions earlier where Christians here, that have said that they do believe they will go to heaven when they die, so I don't think it's confined to the extreme right wing. But you've made it aparent that it doesn't aply to you. Soooo.....erm...yeah. You win.

It's wonderful to have one of these moments where the world is a little bit more beautiful than you had imagined just a moment ago. Even though Rabbit isn't with us any longer.

Tom, I bow to your graciousness here. The world is a marvelous place if we go out and look at it, even the parts that we think we do not like. And, like you, I wish Rabbit was here to share this wonder with us.

As for Christians believing they will go to heaven, most believe that because that is what they have been taught, not because that is what the Bible says. If asked they will be unable to site verses that support their belief because most of them tend to only believe what they here from the pulpit, and not study the bible enough to know what it really says.