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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy View Post
    The constitution was written with the American constitution as a basis (hence my question why it's important how old a system is. Because i think the blokes who wrote the Swiss constitution have learned from the Americans and made some points a little bit better. Just my humble opinion, tho.)
    What aspects do you think were improvements? Were there any new things tried that you think were mistakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragoczy View Post
    What aspects do you think were improvements? Were there any new things tried that you think were mistakes?
    I knew that would get me into some kind of predicament, lol. But i give it a try.

    Like i already posted in another thread (http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18112) what i like about Switzerlands constitution are the great many ways to participate directly, via initiatives or referendums. Sure, it makes the political process somewhat slow, sometimes even too slow. But it also keeps it balanced, extreme opinions or issues are very unlikely to survive for a long period or on a large scale.
    Another good thing is that the constitution abandons the idea of a presidential system. We do not have one president, but seven "Bundesräte" (think of them as ministers), one of which is elected to be Switzerlands representative president for a one year term.
    There is an ongoing discussion whether 7 ministers are enough or whether the workload is too much (for example, the minister of interior has to deal with the health system, the educational system, pensionary system, and some more). I think there should be a couple more. But of course that would mean to share power, not an easy thing for someone who has accumulated power.
    Those ministers are elected not by the people directly, but by the members of the parlament. An initiative to the effect that the ministers should be elected directly by the people was voted down not long ago. I think the reason was that people saw how ugly electoral campaigns can get and wanted to avoid that (no offense meant, but America comes easily to my mind right now)

    For over 60 years the ministers' jobs were given to the parties according to the same formula: 2 liberals, 2 catholic conservatives, 2 social democrats and 1 right wing *****. Since the right wing ***** have grown in the past years, they have now 2 seats, the catholics only 1.
    That was quite a little revolution for our standards

    This system, called concordance, makes sure that the legislative process needs to enclose as many opinions as possible, so usually in a new law nobody feels really mistreated. However, things are shifting a bit, the political discussion has grown somewhat harsher.

    I think the fact that Switzerlands cantons (states) are in many ways very independent is something the fathers (there were none or very few women involved, so "fathers" fits perfectly) of our constitution took very likely directly from the American one.

    But then, they also made a huge mistake when they wrote the preamble which starts: "Im Namen Gottes des Allmächtigen...." which translates to "In the name of God Almighty..."
    As an atheist i don't believe such stuff. As an ignostic all i can say is: Got proof of that? Really? And why should it matter?
    And as a human with the ability to reason and being emotional (sometimes those two can even coexist): If there is a god and he cares about the constitution of a fly shit-sized country like Switzerland he has set his priorities dead wrong.

    To sum it up: God has nothing to do with our constitution and should therefore be left out completely.

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