Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post


How can you capture Bin Laden in a country where he is not? As we discussed in other threads Iraq was at the time a central area for this, strategically speaking its just like in Chess where you want to control the center before you start striking into the enemies back lines. If the politicians would stay the frak out of this and let the generals do it they way they wanted the war would probably been over a long time ago. Back when this thing first started we first invaded Afganistan the bad guys went to ground, and ran away, bleeding into other areas, when we occupied Iraq it gave them somewhere to focus, becuase we are smack dab in the middle of thier business then now that Iraq is really allmost won they have been fleeing back to afganistan and other areas on the perefery. Its a very good sign that they resolve has tremendously been weakened, Thay have all but lost the center of the proverbial board now.
This shows a lack of understanding of the political situation in the Middle East prior to the invasion of Iraq by U.S. led forces. Iraq and Iran have been adversaries for a very long time, actually tracing tribal differences back millenia and religious differences about 800 years or so. Iraq kept Iran at bay in the region through mutual distrust. Syria was leery of the political movement that had taken over Iran after the Shah was overthrown so has been taking a much lower profile in the region. Our invasion gave them something to focus on. Remember that the first name of the invasion was Iraqi Crusade (as I recall. I know the word "Crusade" was in the name and thinking at the time that this was either a demonstration of complete ignorance of the region or a bone tossed to the religious right. I still don't know for sure which they meant.) before they hastily re-named it Iraqi Freedom? Using the chess analogy, the situation was in stalemate before our invasion. We screwed it up with a badly planned, poorly executed, illegally justified invasion of a country, while no friend of ours, has never committed an overt hostile act against us.
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Diablo: "My sarcasm was triggered by the undermine the morale statement."

So morality shouldn't be part of the equation in being an American or excersising our right to free speach?
It appears you have mixed up "morale" with "morals"? Not sure I follow that thought.

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Have you given any thought to the possibility that such statements also undermine the troops and thier families morale?
To know that so many of the people they are fighting to protect despise what they are trying to accomplish and dont believe in what they are doing ,must surely be at the very least a bum deal huh?
That the people back home think the mission they are putting thier lives on the line for is wrong or somehow not justified?
That the loss of thier lives and the loss of thier brothers and sisters in arms is only held in a hypocritical sort of reverance at best by far to many Americans?

You dont see the hypocracy in that?
Personally, I find there is a great deal more hypocrisy in even suggesting that people can't hold in great reverence the decision of their fellow Americans to serve in the military and strongly disagree with the political decisions that sent them into harm's way. From my viewpoint those that speak out have the troops welfare more in mind than those that blindly follow a misguided president's agenda.

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Not to mention, my Owner is himself a veteran, as was my Father and many of my other realtives and friends.
I'm a combat veteran myself. My years in the Army and my times in combat zones do not make my opinions about the correctness of a war any better or more valid than someone who has never served but has studied the situation from a more dispassionate distance.

Anyway, thats my Election Day two cents worth. Go vote!