Bush's Place in History.

[Stealth694]

Bush was more Cheney's puppet than President... Cheney is screaming how Obama is destryoying Bush's ( read Cheney's) Legacy. Personally I would have a mixed committee investigate Cheney, Bush, and Rove. That should prove very interesting.

[wmrs2]

Bush was more Cheney's puppet than President... Cheney is screaming how Obama is destryoying Bush's ( read Cheney's) Legacy. Personally I would have a mixed committee investigate Cheney, Bush, and Rove. That should prove very interesting.

An investigation of Bush, Cheney, and Rove would take the pressure historically off B. Clayton, JFK, and the rest of the the over sexed politicians but it would do nothing to promote the country. Demonstrates have 4 years to save the country from the Bush influence. They need all the support they can muster up so why don't you do the responsible thing and forget about revenge. The Democrats did lose to Bush in 1990 and 1994. did they not? It is over. Democrats need to get over it too.

[Belgarold]

An investigation of Bush, Cheney, and Rove would take the pressure historically off B. Clayton, JFK, and the rest of the the over sexed politicians but it would do nothing to promote the country. Demonstrates have 4 years to save the country from the Bush influence. They need all the support they can muster up so why don't you do the responsible thing and forget about revenge. The Democrats did lose to Bush in 1990 and 1994. did they not? It is over. Democrats need to get over it too.

It is far from over, there is a lot to get the country back to the true America. Habeas Corpus needs to be reinstated. Bush instituted a lot of Executive Orders and signing statements that took away much needed regulation and civil rights of real Americans. It is NOT over. The Republicans of course want Americans to forget. But they want one party rule, to take away the separation between Church and State and other marks of an UnAmerican way of governing.

And Bush was given the presidency by the Supreme COurt in 2000 NOT 1990.

[wmrs2]

It is far from over, there is a lot to get the country back to the true America. Habeas Corpus needs to be reinstated. Bush instituted a lot of Executive Orders and signing statements that took away much needed regulation and civil rights of real Americans. It is NOT over. The Republicans of course want Americans to forget. But they want one party rule, to take away the separation between Church and State and other marks of an UnAmerican way of governing.

And Bush was given the presidency by the Supreme COurt in 2000 NOT 1990.

In the future people will lough at the effort to reinstate the mythical loss of Habeas Corpus and other American freedoms when not one person has been prosecuted or mistreated by the added protection given to the country by the actions Pres. Bush has taken to protect the country during a time of war. What did you expect Bush to do? You can not open the door wide for terrorist to walk right in. They have shown us what they will do. Be specific, what freedoms do you want reinstated?

[Belgarold]

In the future people will lough at the effort to reinstate the mythical loss of Habeas Corpus and other American freedoms when not one person has been prosecuted or mistreated by the added protection given to the country by the actions Pres. Bush has taken to protect the country during a time of war. What did you expect Bush to do? You can not open the door wide for terrorist to walk right in. They have shown us what they will do. Be specific, what freedoms do you want reinstated?

Just want it stated that the above is simply your opinion as well. It does not bear up to the facts that are still coming out. So just be aware, the info you posted to Thorne bear true for you as well. Just an opinion.

And I would like privacy rules reinstated, It has been proven that the collection of data from phone calls was NOT just for Terrorist phone calls, it was EVERYBODY's phone calls.

And I don't know, we could start by reinstating Habeas Corpus, your Opinion does not bear up to scrutiny. And we could start by re-instating the Bill of Rights. You remember the Bill of Rights don't you. It is for ALL Americans, the right to a speedy trial, to face your accusers, etc. etc.

[mkemse]

Just want it stated that the above is simply your opinion as well. It does not bear up to the facts that are still coming out. So just be aware, the info you posted to Thorne bear true for you as well. Just an opinion.

And I would like privacy rules reinstated, It has been proven that the collection of data from phone calls was NOT just for Terrorist phone calls, it was EVERYBODY's phone calls.

And I don't know, we could start by reinstating Habeas Corpus, your Opinion does not bear up to scrutiny. And we could start by re-instating the Bill of Rights. You remember the Bill of Rights don't you. It is for ALL Americans, the right to a speedy trial, to face your accusers, etc. etc.

Very well said, I forgot about the Bill of Right... Oh yes, Bush was President then, now i remember them BEFORE he took office, while he served where did they go???

And Bush's Administration, being honest with the American People nd letting people know what he planned to do ect (not including sesitive Security ifo, ) was a transparent as a brick wall you can see NOTHING beyond it

[wmrs2]

Just want it stated that the above is simply your opinion as well. It does not bear up to the facts that are still coming out. So just be aware, the info you posted to Thorne bear true for you as well. Just an opinion.

And I would like privacy rules reinstated, It has been proven that the collection of data from phone calls was NOT just for Terrorist phone calls, it was EVERYBODY's phone calls.

And I don't know, we could start by reinstating Habeas Corpus, your Opinion does not bear up to scrutiny. And we could start by re-instating the Bill of Rights. You remember the Bill of Rights don't you. It is for ALL Americans, the right to a speedy trial, to face your accusers, etc. etc.

As far as I can see, there are more opinions on this forum than you would expect especially since the Bill of Rights have been tossed aside. I can't think of any of my Rights that have been taken away. Maybe you could name a few for me that you once had and are now gone. I would be interested in knowing how you suffered personally during the Bush administration. Bush can listen to any phone call of mine. I like the way he kept the country safe. There are no complaints there. Sometimes I thought the Dems. wanted to lose the war just so they could say Bush did it. Do you think there is any truth to that at all?

[mkemse]

As far as I can see, there are more opinions on this forum than you would expect especially since the Bill of Rights have been tossed aside. I can't think of any of my Rights that have been taken away. Maybe you could name a few for me that you once had and are now gone. I would be interested in knowing how you suffered personally during the Bush administration. Bush can listen to any phone call of mine. I like the way he kept the country safe. There are no complaints there. Sometimes I thought the Dems. wanted to lose the war just so they could say Bush did it. Do you think there is any truth to that at all?

None, accoding tothe Unisted States Consitution for the US to go to war a Delelaration of War is supposed to be passed by Congress, ie WW1,WW11, i sd not rmember any Declaration for Invading a Soverien Country, I rmember hw was go to show Iraqi's "Shock and Awe" but I do not recall him asking Congress (which i might ad was REPUBLICAN controled at the time) permission to go into Warwith Iraq, oh thats right he didn't he just decided on his own to invade that right
As far as the wiretaping goes I can hardlybelieve that ever single person in the United States needs thier phone taped for "National Security Rasons" if we do that mean we have 256,00,00 terrorists in this country th entire population plus if Citzens, if they hasd reason, yes but not anyone and everyon they wanted to that is a violation of my Fredom of Speach Rights,

But on thing peole will learn as time goes on, DO NOT MESS WITH THE US but if you do, know ahead of time that once we distroy your country will be more then happy to send you billions upon billions to rebulid what we distroyed, name 1 country we did not rebuild after a war with them??
There used to be and my very well still be alive thesaying "Hey, you want to rebuld your country, make it more modern, then go to war with the United States, they'll rebuild it for you"

[Belgarold]

As far as I can see, there are more opinions on this forum than you would expect especially since the Bill of Rights have been tossed aside. I can't think of any of my Rights that have been taken away. Maybe you could name a few for me that you once had and are now gone. I would be interested in knowing how you suffered personally during the Bush administration. Bush can listen to any phone call of mine. I like the way he kept the country safe. There are no complaints there. Sometimes I thought the Dems. wanted to lose the war just so they could say Bush did it. Do you think there is any truth to that at all?

The same tired old accusations? Democrats are unAmerican? Democrats wanted Bush to lose? Bush NEVER supported the troops, but supported the corporate interests in Iraq. KBR made more people sick with bad water, Several soldiers were electrocuted due to bad wiring by KBR, Blackwater put our Military in harms way multiple times. There were soldier's family raising money to buy body armor for the soldiers. And this is Pro-American?

And I thought the Bill of Rights was for ALL Americans. You seem to have the attitude that if it doesn't affect me who is it really hurting. More than 200 people kept at Guantanamo, Americans, and Canadaians and Germans sent to prisons in other countries without being charged.

Torturing prisoners hurts our military. BY torturing our prisoners we give the enemy the feeling that they can torture ours. And our actions cause us to lose our reputation in other countries.

Now a lot of Isolationist Conservatives say it doesn't matter what others think of us. But that is naive and dangerous. We need support from allies. If you want to stick your head in the sand and not care what rights were or are taken away from us so be it. But I am trying to look at the big picture.

And Bush did NOT make us safer, he put us in more danger.

[DuncanONeil]

Habeas Corpus was not dispensed with! To do so would require an Amendment.

What is the evidence that all phone calls were intercepted? Just look at the feasibility of doing that. There are 330 million people in the country. For discussion let us postulate that half of them have phones. I know my phone usage is below average, but using that will give an understanding of the magnitude of the difficulty of what you believe. That below average phone usage gives us 710 million hours of phone calls per month.
I know you will suggest that computers are used to scan for stuff but that does not fit with your original premise, but even so. Such a progrom, assume the most efficient, can not leave you with less than 10% or 71 million hours PER MONTH. The manpower does not exist to deal with that kind of input. Even using all of our military assets it would take a month and a half to go over that much material.

[DuncanONeil]

Habeas Corpus was never eliminated!
Please to show me where the separation of Church and State resides?