Guantanamo Redux

[Lion]

How long does it take to determine that a boy who just turned 16 was the result of brain washing?

4+ years? and counting. You are correct, I am thinking a lot about their trial process because a few of them are in there for no good reason. They are there because of a mistake made along the way, and I can understand that. What I don't understand is people then claiming that they were all captured under combat with absolute certainty, then doing away with any sort of trial process that is reasonably quick.

THere are some Uighur Muslim inmates right now, that are found innocent. As in, they were not enemy combatants, they were somehow detained and lost years of their lives for no reason other then the inefficiency of the trial process, and the belief of people that all inmates are enemy combatants without any sort of proof. That's what the trial process is for, to determine guilt based on the evidence. And that's why I'm relentless on my belief that it the lack of any speedy trial is a stain on America's reputation. (well, most of this decade has been bad for America's reputation...)

[DuncanONeil]

If no one can with certainty say they are terrorists, then no one can with certainty say they are not. The certainty regarding involved in combat is directly related to where taken into custody!

Again with the, essentially demand, mantra of speedy trial, let me ask you this. Where was the demand for a speedy trial for those taken into custody on the battlefields of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, et al? This situation is no different than any of those. These people were not engaged in "criminal" activity but war-like actions.

You like to trot out the trial "card" merely because it makes the people you object to look bad. But if they were as bad as you like to claim not one single person captured would have yet been released. Such releases have occurred, you admit that. Yet in spite of acting in a rationale and humane manner, many of those released have been recaptured!

How long does it take to determine that a boy who just turned 16 was the result of brain washing?

4+ years? and counting. You are correct, I am thinking a lot about their trial process because a few of them are in there for no good reason. They are there because of a mistake made along the way, and I can understand that. What I don't understand is people then claiming that they were all captured under combat with absolute certainty, then doing away with any sort of trial process that is reasonably quick.

THere are some Uighur Muslim inmates right now, that are found innocent. As in, they were not enemy combatants, they were somehow detained and lost years of their lives for no reason other then the inefficiency of the trial process, and the belief of people that all inmates are enemy combatants without any sort of proof. That's what the trial process is for, to determine guilt based on the evidence. And that's why I'm relentless on my belief that it the lack of any speedy trial is a stain on America's reputation. (well, most of this decade has been bad for America's reputation...)

[DuncanONeil]

If no one can with certainty say they are terrorists, then no one can with certainty say they are not. The certainty regarding involved in combat is directly related to where taken into custody!

Again with the, essentially demand, mantra of speedy trial, let me ask you this. Where was the demand for a speedy trial for those taken into custody on the battlefields of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, et al? This situation is no different than any of those. These people were not engaged in "criminal" activity but war-like actions.

You like to trot out the trial "card" merely because it makes the people you object to look bad. But if they were as bad as you like to claim not one single person captured would have yet been released. Such releases have occurred, you admit that. Yet in spite of acting in a rationale and humane manner, many of those released have been recaptured!

How long does it take to determine that a boy who just turned 16 was the result of brain washing?

4+ years? and counting. You are correct, I am thinking a lot about their trial process because a few of them are in there for no good reason. They are there because of a mistake made along the way, and I can understand that. What I don't understand is people then claiming that they were all captured under combat with absolute certainty, then doing away with any sort of trial process that is reasonably quick.

THere are some Uighur Muslim inmates right now, that are found innocent. As in, they were not enemy combatants, they were somehow detained and lost years of their lives for no reason other then the inefficiency of the trial process, and the belief of people that all inmates are enemy combatants without any sort of proof. That's what the trial process is for, to determine guilt based on the evidence. And that's why I'm relentless on my belief that it the lack of any speedy trial is a stain on America's reputation. (well, most of this decade has been bad for America's reputation...)