Climategate

[denuseri]

I agree that the governemnts of the world will need near consensus and would benifit from taking the nessesary time after having entered extended consultation with multiple scientific sources as how best to solve the issues that will be facing our posterity and avoid seeking short term political gains.

In fact I have never said otherwise.

[DuncanONeil]

Ain't gonna happen!

Government, lately ANY Government is of the opinion that what they "know" and "believe" is of more import than anything anyone else knows!

I agree that the governemnts of the world will need near consensus and would benifit from taking the nessesary time after having entered extended consultation with multiple scientific sources as how best to solve the issues that will be facing our posterity and avoid seeking short term political gains.

In fact I have never said otherwise.

[steelish]

I agree that the governemnts of the world will need near consensus and would benifit from taking the nessesary time after having entered extended consultation with multiple scientific sources as how best to solve the issues that will be facing our posterity and avoid seeking short term political gains.

In fact I have never said otherwise.

I agree with DuncanONeil...this will NEVER happen.

Let's say for instance that the extended consultation with multiple scientific sources has occurred. No matter what the heads of governments are told is the best course of action, it is virtually impossible that all of them will agree to the same plan of action. A smaller, third-world type nation is going to feel like its "big brothers" are taking advantage. Some countries will feel like the world powers (US, UK, China, Japan, etc) created the mess so why should they have to do ANYTHING to help clean it up? Heck, even the world powers won't agree on things.

[oww-that-hurt]

Here in Montana, USA, we have a place named Glacier National Park. The melting of the glaciers is well documented and studied here. It is estimated that by 2030 the last of them will gone, only to have a few small snow fields that are slow to melt before the next winter because they are in the shadows of the peaks.

Every indication is that the rapid increase in melting rates is due to global warming. Glacier core samples have accurate record keeping of atmospheric events. Geologic evidence of their withdrawal rates changing is documented by the lichen which grow at a certain rate and set up new 'house-keeping' on rocks as they become available. Since we humans began messing up the balance of things, the lichen are able to spread at a faster than ever rate because so much more bare rock is available to them.

[steelish]

Here in Montana, USA, we have a place named Glacier National Park. The melting of the glaciers is well documented and studied here. It is estimated that by 2030 the last of them will gone, only to have a few small snow fields that are slow to melt before the next winter because they are in the shadows of the peaks.

Every indication is that the rapid increase in melting rates is due to global warming. Glacier core samples have accurate record keeping of atmospheric events. Geologic evidence of their withdrawal rates changing is documented by the lichen which grow at a certain rate and set up new 'house-keeping' on rocks as they become available. Since we humans began messing up the balance of things, the lichen are able to spread at a faster than ever rate because so much more bare rock is available to them.

No doubt that glaciers retreat in places. In yet other places there is growth, and um...more growth. Here is a list of growing glaciers. Yet mainstream media does not report any of this.

[DuncanONeil]

The glaciers have retreated before! So why is it such a trauma event now? Of course if it is a desire to terminate the use of oil, and any fossil fuel, the retreat of the glaciers is a convenient issue to achieve the end of preventing man from using fossil fuels. The green folk that have been around forever have only that as their agenda. And will use any natural occurring event if it can be made to help them.
Man has, by human standards, been around for some time. During that time the planet has been warmer than now, and colder. By your estimation the existance of the Sahara is man's fault!

Here in Montana, USA, we have a place named Glacier National Park. The melting of the glaciers is well documented and studied here. It is estimated that by 2030 the last of them will gone, only to have a few small snow fields that are slow to melt before the next winter because they are in the shadows of the peaks.

Every indication is that the rapid increase in melting rates is due to global warming. Glacier core samples have accurate record keeping of atmospheric events. Geologic evidence of their withdrawal rates changing is documented by the lichen which grow at a certain rate and set up new 'house-keeping' on rocks as they become available. Since we humans began messing up the balance of things, the lichen are able to spread at a faster than ever rate because so much more bare rock is available to them.