Do people 'deserve' universal health care?

[steelish]

Sorry denu...I must have mis-read your earlier posts because I was under the impression that you against government involvement.


As to the lying and "purchased votes" for this bill...

Some of the backroom deals include:
1. The “Louisiana Purchase”: a $300 million special deal for Louisiana. [Bill page 428]
2. “Gator Aid”: a provision that protects Florida seniors from Medicare cuts. Seniors in all 49 other states will see benefits cut under this bill. [Page 878]
3. Increased Medicaid payments to Hawaii—a benefit that will be paid for by the other 49 states. [Page 2132]
4. Special Medicare coverage for the people of Libby, MT. That’s right, a special provision for the people of one town. [Page 2222]
5. $100 million to construct a hospital in Connecticut. [Page 2354]
6. An exemption from new taxes for ONE Michigan insurance company. [Page 2394]

AND...included in the bill is Student Loans. Once the bill passes, you will no longer be able to get a private loan to pay for college. You will only be able to get your loan from the government. Logic dictates that the government will specify which degree you will be pursuing.


One of the biggest issues is that everyone's idea of what this Healthcare program will be like is different from the next person's. People on the left accuse people on the right of being cold-hearted when nothing could be further from the truth. A Universal Health Care Program run by honest, forthright people who truly want nothing but the best for everyone who needs such a program would be wonderful. The way they are going about trying to get this passed, with no regards to the opposition...no transparency, back door dealing, strong-arming, back-stabbing and name-calling...I find it hard to believe that they have the poor citizens health and well-being foremost in their minds.

[Lion]

AND...included in the bill is Student Loans. Once the bill passes, you will no longer be able to get a private loan to pay for college. You will only be able to get your loan from the government. Logic dictates that the government will specify which degree you will be pursuing.

I don't know what student loans have to do with health care, so I'm quite surprised that it's in there.

But I don't understand your connection between government student loans and the government specifying your degree.

In Ontario, it's quite rare, almost unheard of that a student gets a loan from some place other the the government student loan centre. And there is no restriction on the degree you are in.

Unless it's different down there.

[steelish]

I don't know what student loans have to do with health care, so I'm quite surprised that it's in there.

But I don't understand your connection between government student loans and the government specifying your degree.

In Ontario, it's quite rare, almost unheard of that a student gets a loan from some place other the the government student loan centre. And there is no restriction on the degree you are in.

Unless it's different down there.

Because they're already "hinting" that it will happen. In the Student Loan portion of the plan, if the student goes into government service for a period of ten years following graduation, they don't have to pay back anything. Upon receiving the loan, the government is going to "explain" to the student which fields of study would be helpful for the ten year government service "plan".

[denuseri]

Sorry denu...I must have mis-read your earlier posts because I was under the impression that you against government involvement.

Nope just against "bad" government involvment. lol