Imigration

[SadisticNature]

What else can you do? Forced Deportation doesn't work.

Amnesty programs aren't outright forgiveness they usually involve fines, backtaxes, and citizenship requirements. In some cases they involve reporting information about the company that hired you illegally. If the IRS can give a 25+% deduction for self-reporting on errors in backtaxes, I think there is little reason that states can't have a program that enables illegal immigrants to become legal.

I think if you want to punish the illegal immigrants with forced deportation you need to make it unwise to hire them, if they can't get jobs they probably aren't staying in the US. Raise the fines on the companies by 400% if you want to take a punitive route. Jail executives who aid and abet illegal hiring. In that environment I could see a more punitive program for dealing with illegal immigrants. In the case of unreported employment go after people for tax evasion, I hear that worked well on Capone. Of course the problem is most of these executives have made CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.

But in the current situation they're practically aided across the border by American companies who will forge documents for them so they can pay them minimum wage (or in many cases less).

I highly doubt this is a problem that gets solved from the bottom up, if you remove the incentives for being here, or secure the border properly you remove most if not all of the problem.

Agreed. This should be a priority. If you keep illegals out at the border you don't have so many problems about identifying them within the borders.


Why amnesty? This makes no sense to me. Basically, you are rewarding people who have broken the law.

I agree with you, though. Making the cost of hiring illegals higher than the cost of hiring legal labor would reduce the problems significantly. The problem there is that there have been numerous politicos who have been found to have hired illegals, either knowingly or not. Certainly, anyone who forges documents, for any reason, should be sent to prison, as well as being fined heavily. Simply make the risks so high that it becomes untenable.

[Thorne]

What else can you do? Forced Deportation doesn't work.

It would work if you beefed up border control. Otherwise I agree: its a waste of time.

Amnesty programs aren't outright forgiveness they usually involve fines, backtaxes, and citizenship requirements.

Then its not amnesty, which is, according to Webster, "the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals."
Allowing otherwise law-abiding people to "buy" their way in through payments of back taxes or other means would be something different, which I could go along with. But some people either will not, or will not be able to, meet those requirements. They will have to be deported. But none of this breaking up of families crap. The law should be changed to allow only children of legal residents to be considered citizens. If you're not legal, your kids aren't either. The whole family goes back.

I think if you want to punish the illegal immigrants with forced deportation you need to make it unwise to hire them, if they can't get jobs they probably aren't staying in the US. Raise the fines on the companies by 400% if you want to take a punitive route. Jail executives who aid and abet illegal hiring. In that environment I could see a more punitive program for dealing with illegal immigrants.

Absolutely! In fact, that would be the FIRST change I would want to see: make it far more dangerous, and expensive, for those who hire illegals. And executives of companies who hire the illegals should face prison sentences if they knowingly allow illegals to be hired. And tax evasion laws should already be usable to nail these companies, since they can't be withholding income taxes on undocumented workers.

But in the current situation they're practically aided across the border by American companies who will forge documents for them so they can pay them minimum wage (or in many cases less).

And these are the ones who should pay the steepest penalties, with the longest prison terms. Forging legal documents is a felony, if I'm not mistaken. Start charging these people, and put them on trial, and if they are convicted issue the steepest penalties the law allows, which should include forfeiture of properties, similar to what the drug laws allow.