Religion or Atheism? An open forum.

[denuseri]

I dont have to provide anything...Im not the one saying that Gods do not exist or that it has to be something scientifically provable for someone to respect someone elses beliefs. Im not the one bucking the majority belief or who is trying to bring in a new viewpoint or make any such claim that God exists or does not.

We both know the only reason you dont wish to call your viewpoint a belief or you deny that you yourself dont have any faith (ie trust) in something you personally havent proved via science (probabely becuase you cant since your not a physicist or cosmologist etc :so you have no recourse but to have faith that what such scientists are telling you in laymans terms is correct etc) is becuase you know according to the rules of the english language and the current definitions of said word usage and its definitions...that you would outright loose any argument according to the coresponding way that rehtoric functions with logic of any kind under the Scrutiny of the Socratic method. ( which means your basically arguing useing pure sophistry 101) Becuase your view point is by defualt... of equatible value (all else considered when no proof of validity is capable of being provided by eaither side in a argument of ideals) as the theist's own views in any such discussion. Yet your own position is one that theirs is inheriently wrong...so you simpley cant abide any such distinguishment as a possiblitity...which is why to overcome the paradox...you basically make things up and try to have them sound favorably to you. Since such onesided positions between equally valid positions have only one solution absent verifiable proof you dont wish to appear as the bad guy you hence obscure any attempts to point out this fact. You may or may not be consiously aware of this (despite many attempts to point it out to you) but thats becuase its human nature 101 to act that way...something Socrates and Plato found to be really unproductive for the purposes of actual intelectual exchanges which is why they campaigned so ardhently against the position of the sophists.

And again your making a lot of assumptions conserning my personal beliefs...most of them are dead wrong btw.

The main reason I come out in defence of the theists in these threads isnt to expouse a personal belief in god on my part. It is to point out the hypocricy of the atheists position when it is presented in the manner in which you have been doing.

Its oneseided, its uses sophistry, its belicose, it shows an extreme lack of respect for the beliefs of others if they do not coincide with their own and it appeares to be mired in the exact same kind of zealotry as any fundamentalist religion that it wishes to de-claim; all without a single shread of any proof that it's claims are any better than anyone elses.

The only logically conclussion then would be to promote secularism.

But for that to work it requires that all parties recognize the fact that no side is the only right side or in lue of that that their belief in the other side being wrong is no reason to try and take away their right to hold their viewpoints and pracrice their belief system whatever it may be within their dominion as they see fit, so long as they are not hurting anyone else what does it matter anyway.

Thankfully I live in a country that does that very thing.

[Thorne]

Thankfully I live in a country that does that very thing.

Yeah, for now!