Wiki leak

[Lion]

Why do people pick on America?

I wouldn't call it picking. Picking on someone is when they are being abused for simply existing. US on the other hand doesn't simply exist. More then any other country in the world today, US has it's head in a lot of foreign issues. It's not all bad, some of US's work is quite good.

But then there are dark spots that people aren't willing to let go. Think 9/11 for them, and you get their mind set.

[thir]

I wouldn't call it picking. Picking on someone is when they are being abused for simply existing.

That is what I thought..?

US on the other hand doesn't simply exist. More then any other country in the world today, US has it's head in a lot of foreign issues. It's not all bad, some of US's work is quite good.

No country simply exists - every country has it involvment to a smaller or larger extent, good and bad. US is a very big country, therefore with lots of involvment, good and bad, and therefore with lots of comments. To complain about that is illogical.

[IAN 2411]

Nice to know that you speak for the whole rest of the world Ian....smh lol.

Now that was a little picky denu, but i haven't been doing it long and i've not quite got the hang of it yet.lol

Jealousy is soooo unbecoming, but it is also very common when there is any kind of disparity real or imagined between any individuals or set of groups in any social/cultural exchange or interaction.

Nope, at this present time I can’t think of any reason why I should be jealous of America. Over half your debt is owned by the Chinese and they are having a few problems at the moment, if their bubble bursts America will get some of the fallout. The UK is in the deep sea of debt but we are slowly swimming to safe banks.

I could go on and on and on...but that would turn this from a little sidebar into a seperate thread.

You’ve just done it lol.

Regards IAN 2411{lillirose}

[denuseri]

All I did was scratch the surface on the vietnam/afgan war simularities, there are oodles more.

And like I said...who bitches most ...lol.

[denuseri]

A brief note on Vietnam/Afgan thingy purely as a clairification: When I said it was mainly a war between oppossites of ideaology I mean of course between comunist and democratic/capitalist systems....which is the only reason the USA even bothered picking up after the French there, ( to oppose the spread of communisim in east asia) which if we had intervened sooner on the vietmanese peoples behalf against the french occupation their whole country might have came out a lot differently...especially since old Ho Chi Min (like the Afgans) was once upon a time one of our best of buddies.

In 1941, Hồ returned to Vietnam from living in France and the United States (He based his revolution on our own and that of the French btw) to lead the Việt Minh independence movement.

From wiki:
"The "men in black" were a 10,000 member guerilla force that operated with the Viet Minh. He oversaw many successful military actions against the Vichy French and Japanese occupation of Vietnam during World War II, supported closely but clandestinely by the United States ( wow who would have thought...this is just like in afganistan btw) Office of Strategic Services, and also later against the French bid to reoccupy the country (1946–1954). He was also jailed in China for many months by Chiang Kai-shek's local authorities. After his release in 1943, he again returned to Vietnam. He was treated for malaria and dysentery by American OSS doctors. In the highlands in 1944, he lived with Do Thi Lac, a woman of Tay ethnicity.[13] Lac had a son in 1956.

After the August Revolution (1945) organized by the Việt Minh, Hồ became Chairman of the Provisional Government (Premier of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam) and issued a Proclamation of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam that borrowed much from the French and American declarations.] Though he convinced Emperor Bảo Đại to abdicate, his government was not recognized by any country. He repeatedly petitioned American President Harry Truman for support for Vietnamese independence, citing the Atlantic Charter, but Truman never responded."

Just think of it...if America had acted differently the Vietnam war could have been perhaps avoided.

And I agree "journalisim" should be more than just posting whatever may come one's way.

Yet also...I see very little actual journalism being practiced anywhere and lots and lots of propaganda everywhere instead.

And I allready said all I need to say about the whole green eyed monster picking on America thingy.

[lucy]

New leak!!!!

[gagged_Louise]

As Lucky Luciano put it after he had engineered the assassination of the old Don Giuseppe Masseria in an NYC Italian restaurant (where else? - Masseria's head fell down onto a plate of Spaghetti Bolognese): "I was out in the men's room taking a leak; I always take a long leak".

That line gave him a good alibi, and it was actually true, though he had hired the killers, but of course it was censored by the police.

[denuseri]

omg too funny and ironic lucy lol. I know someone in the anon group too. Some of them may even yet still be members of this site who knows.

[IAN 2411]

Back to Mr wiki leak, he was released from his cell again yesterday, and in the interview with sky. He told reporters that his extradition to Sweedon was not a big deal, as he was more worried about being extradited to America. He is under the impression that the Americans are after him, I cant think why? lol

Regards IAN 2411{lillirose}

[leo9]

Back to Mr wiki leak, he was released from his cell again yesterday, and in the interview with sky. He told reporters that his extradition to Sweedon was not a big deal, as he was more worried about being extradited to America. He is under the impression that the Americans are after him, I cant think why? lol

His best chance there is that the US authorities have shown their hand by saying they want to charge him with espionage, which can carry the death penalty. As a general rule, we don't extradite European citizens to courts that might send them to be executed, and there would be outcry across the continent if the Swedish government made an exception for Assange.

[IAN 2411]

His best chance there is that the US authorities have shown their hand by saying they want to charge him with espionage, which can carry the death penalty. As a general rule, we don't extradite European citizens to courts that might send them to be executed, and there would be outcry across the continent if the Swedish government made an exception for Assange.

How can the Americans charge him with espionage, if three million Americans already had privi to the same secrets? That has to be a bluff.

[leo9]

How can the Americans charge him with espionage, if three million Americans already had privi to the same secrets? That has to be a bluff.

My mistake, not espionage, treason. Which is worse, in terms of the sentences available.

You might think that a Swedish citizen can't be charged with treason to America. But as I understand it, the guy who passed the files to him is in jail awaiting trial for treason (and being seriously abused there, but that's to be expected.) If there is a prima facie case that Assange invited him to do so, rather than simply being given the disc out of the blue, he can be charged as an accessory.

[denuseri]

<< Wonders if the Swede's will have Assange in a posh jail or a more practical one or hail him a hero before this is all done.

[thir]

A massive set of 90,000 leaked US military records have provided one of the most revealing insights into the US-led war in Afghanistan, including unreported civilian killings by coalition forces and raids by a special force to hunt down Taliban leaders.

The leaked documents called the "The War Logs," posted on Sunday, map the US war in Afghanistan from 2004 to 2009, and with it WikiLeaks has pulled the biggest leaks in intelligence history.

Comments?

Sorry to come in so late. A very interesting thread!

I think generally the more knowledge to voters, the more democracy.

[IAN 2411]

Why do people pick on America?

Why not? Europe have been picking on the UK ever since we have been part of it, and I am a great believer in everyone getting their fair share.