Guantanamo Redux

[denuseri]

My Owner pretty much explained in detail why they use certian techniques in training for specific personel.

My question is why, if we are supposed to be the good guys is it that we are running around torturing prisoners of war and civilian detainees.

Why allow ourselves to sink to the enemies level?

The USA "used" to be one of the biggist supporters of the Genieva Conventions.

And Gitmo is not the only place it is still happening at, from what Ive heard we are doing all over the place.

[steelish]

My Owner pretty much explained in detail why they use certian techniques in training for specific personel.

My question is why, if we are supposed to be the good guys is it that we are running around torturing prisoners of war and civilian detainees.

Why allow ourselves to sink to the enemies level?

The USA "used" to be one of the biggist supporters of the Genieva Conventions.

And Gitmo is not the only place it is still happening at, from what Ive heard we are doing all over the place.

That is a difficult question to answer. I do not condone the use of torture and it is quite possible that there are "rogue correctional officers" out there. BUT, it is my belief that wardens and others look the other way when such things are going on...why? Possibly because the prisoners do not behave unless they feel the "threat" of it hanging over their heads.

Personally, in my humble opinion, terrorists have absolutely NO respect for Americans because of their humanity and compassion. So what are we to do? How do YOU feel about people who will terrorize and kill us while looking down their noses at us simply because they don't understand/believe in our way of life?

[Thorne]

Personally, in my humble opinion, terrorists have absolutely NO respect for Americans because of their humanity and compassion. So what are we to do? How do YOU feel about people who will terrorize and kill us while looking down their noses at us simply because they don't understand/believe in our way of life?

I agree with you. Sadly, it is sometimes necessary to fight like your enemy in order to defeat your enemy. There has to be a way to distinguish enemy combatants from terrorists. If the enemy abides by the Geneva convention, even to the point of using guerrilla warfare, then prisoners are captured combatants and can be held, without trial, until cessation of hostilities. If they do not abide by the convention, then they should not be treated according to the convention.

[DuncanONeil]

I agree with you. Sadly, it is sometimes necessary to fight like your enemy in order to defeat your enemy. There has to be a way to distinguish enemy combatants from terrorists. If the enemy abides by the Geneva convention, even to the point of using guerrilla warfare, then prisoners are captured combatants and can be held, without trial, until cessation of hostilities. If they do not abide by the convention, then they should not be treated according to the convention.

There are specific requirements for an individual to fall under the purview of the conventions. The individuals engaging in the acts favored by the likes of Al Quaida do not qualify. In spite of that we actually are according them many of the rights of the Conventions, even though it is not required. That is just because of who we are.

[DuncanONeil]

Do not forget that the greatest threat to health, life, and limb comes not from the authorities but from the inmates!

That is a difficult question to answer. I do not condone the use of torture and it is quite possible that there are "rogue correctional officers" out there. BUT, it is my belief that wardens and others look the other way when such things are going on...why? Possibly because the prisoners do not behave unless they feel the "threat" of it hanging over their heads.

Personally, in my humble opinion, terrorists have absolutely NO respect for Americans because of their humanity and compassion. So what are we to do? How do YOU feel about people who will terrorize and kill us while looking down their noses at us simply because they don't understand/believe in our way of life?

[DuncanONeil]

My Owner pretty much explained in detail why they use certian techniques in training for specific personel.

My question is why, if we are supposed to be the good guys is it that we are running around torturing prisoners of war and civilian detainees.

Why allow ourselves to sink to the enemies level?

The USA "used" to be one of the biggist supporters of the Genieva Conventions.

And Gitmo is not the only place it is still happening at, from what Ive heard we are doing all over the place.

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The truth of the matter is that anything and everything that did not fit the mold of "please tell all you secrets" was portrayed as torture. Many of the techniques used are precisely the same as those used by police departments when questioning criminal suspects!

[denuseri]

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The truth of the matter is that anything and everything that did not fit the mold of "please tell all you secrets" was portrayed as torture. Many of the techniques used are precisely the same as those used by police departments when questioning criminal suspects!

Being tied in an over the head suspension for 6 hours is not used by our police.

Having ones hands cuffed to their ankles with a choke tie around the neck to force the prisoner to lean back to breath in an uncomfortable possibely damaging position for an hour or more at a time is not used by our police.

Being water boarded, is not used by our police.

Being stripped nude, and kept in a small confinment box in near hypothermic conditions for extended periods is not used by our police.

Electroshock is not used by our police.

The list goes on and on and on.

[DuncanONeil]

I presume that your source is the aforementioned spouse?

Being tied in an over the head suspension for 6 hours is not used by our police.

Having ones hands cuffed to their ankles with a choke tie around the neck to force the prisoner to lean back to breath in an uncomfortable possibely damaging position for an hour or more at a time is not used by our police.

Being water boarded, is not used by our police.

Being stripped nude, and kept in a small confinment box in near hypothermic conditions for extended periods is not used by our police.

Electroshock is not used by our police.

The list goes on and on and on.

[denuseri]

I presume that your source is the aforementioned spouse?

I would say Duh!....But:

Its not him alone, the other guys in his unit that I know also have mentioned things.

[DuncanONeil]

Point is that all qualifies as hearsay. Ant storiews in the service travel through many ears and mouth. We all know what that does to the fact of the matter.

I would say Duh!....But:

Its not him alone, the other guys in his unit that I know also have mentioned things.